Taking on 9 flats

[IPA76]

Hi
This is my first post and looking for some advice. I have been offered the job of wiring 9 new 2 bed flats just about to be built. I have not taken on anything this big before and not sure how many extra Electricians I will need to keep up with the builders. Anyone done this level of work? As I normally work on my own.

 

[Pete999]

Depends, you and two others would be my best be especially during 1st fix, what with concrete pours etc.

 

[Octopus]

It would also depend on the spec and the number of points ....

 

[Pastyspark]

Biggest piece of advise I can give is make sure everything is in writing and don't do any extras without agreement signed by your client before you do them.
Got caught out by a builder who came across as genuine and pally alway through job on 12 apartments and 2 penthouses then stung us for nearly 15k at the end. He got caught by developer then took all sub contractors for what he could.
Don't worry not all like it. Just be cautious. Our own fault for not having enough in writing.

 

[Pastyspark]

Is it timber frame and how many lads as the builder on site.
Usually the speed of the job is dictated by how quick your being pushed by other trades

 

[123]

Have you given a quote for the work?

 

[Dozer 73]

Done many flats , new builds and mill conversions over the years
THE flats them selves are easy to control price wise and timescale wise ( even give out a price )
It’s the landlord areas that can usually drag on , and could cost you money
Door entry , fire alarm , lighting , car park lighting , sky tv , B.T , sub mains rooms , lifts
As said in another thread depends how organised your builder is

 

[Pastyspark]

Don't forget you will need LSF cable for public areas.
Plant room can take time if you've got all your mains supplied from a ryfield board and making sure it's neat when you've finished. Don't seeing messy plant rooms.
Planning your routes so you don't need rcd protection on your supply cable to the flats.

 

[IPA76]

Many thanks for all your advice, I will make sure I get it all in writing and will spend a good amount of time on the paperwork. This job will include data and sky and under ground parking. Its not been firmed up yet but its in the region of £110K. When I know more I will come back, and thanks again.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Get everything in writing signed and checked.
It annoys the hell out of me when people get trades in and then try to screw them over.
also a job that size is a good chance to take an apprentice or part qualified /electricians mate on looking for experience. pay them a fair wage and you can get a extra pair of hands to help out when you aren't in need of fully qualified electricians to assist at certain points of the work.

 

[Leesparkykent]

These sort of jobs are bread and butter for us...They're not difficult. Organisation is key so you don't loose time pottering around trying to make up a days work etc. The distribution side of things will be a BNO installation so make sure this is priced spot on as the gear and labour can be lumpy. BT, TV, door entry, fire alarm etc are all easy to price.

 

[J.C.E]

I got told by a builder that 50k was too expensive for 6x 3bed houses in Surrey -with alarms, nests, downlights and in chrome. various bollard lights around the land and a sub main from front meter box to rear c/u
150k for 9flats- GRAB IT!

 

[Leesparkykent]

50k for six houses does sound lumpy.

 

[J.C.E]

50k for six houses does sound lumpy.

how busy are you this evening Lee??!!...

6x PLOTS AS BELOW in chrome:

I came in at 52k inc VAT- NEW BUILDS IN SURREY
PLOT 1 GROUND FLOOR

Porch

1x wired doorbell+door chime inside hallway

1x fire rated IP65 7w LED down-light+ recessed PIR sensor

4x external wall lights+ 1x 1gang light switch inside -allowed for £20.00 per fitting

Hallway

6x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +3x 1gang light switches

1x mains powered battery backup optical smoke detector (interlinked throughout house)

1x d.socket

Cloaks

2x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +1x 1gang light switch outside door

1x 100mm extractor fan+isolator switch outside door- builder to provide hole/ducting

Utility

2x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +1x 1gang light switch

2x d.socket

1x 100mm extractor fan+isolator switch outside door- builder to provide hole/ducting

Living

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

5x d.sockets

1x BT phone socket

1x TV socket

Study

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

3x d.sockets

Services Cupboard

1x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +1x ceiling recessed PIR sensor

1x metal 10way Dual RCD consumer unit+ water/gas bonding

Dining/Family

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

2x d.sockets

1x BT phone socket

1x TV socket

Kitchen

6x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +1x 1gang light switch

3x low profile LED UCL

1x mains powered battery backup heat detector (interlinked throughout house)

6x d.sockets (general use)

2x 20a oven circuit+ grid isolator

5x s.socket + grid isolator

1x external IP65 d.socket

PLOT 1 1ST FLOOR

Landing

5x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +2x 1gang light switches

1x mains powered battery backup optical smoke detector (interlinked throughout house)

1x d.socket

Bathroom

5x fire rated IP65 7w LED down-lights +1x 1gang light switch outside door

1x 100mm extractor fan+isolator switch outside door- builder to provide hole/ducting

1x shaver socket

Bedroom 1

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

3x d.sockets

1x BT phone socket

1x TV socket

2x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +2x ceiling recessed PIR sensor inside wardrobes

En-Suite

2x fire rated IP65 7w LED down-lights +1x 1gang light switch outside door

1x 100mm extractor fan+isolator switch outside door- builder to provide hole/ducting

1x shaver socket

Bedroom 2

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

3x d.sockets

1x BT phone socket

1x TV socket

2x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +2x ceiling recessed PIR sensor inside wardrobes

Bedroom 3

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

3x d.sockets

HWC Cupboard

1x fire rated fixed 7w LED down-lights +1x ceiling recessed PIR sensor

1x d.socket

1x 13amp spur for 3kw immersion heater

Dressing/ Bedroom 4

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch

3x d.sockets

OTHER

6x 100a metal switch fused isolator+20meters of 25mm 3core SWA sub main+ additional ext meter box

1x 13amp switch for spur only for combo boiler in 6x plots

1x Nest Smart Thermostat’s for Combi Boiler in 6x plots

7x Texecom Premier Fully featured Burglar Alarm system with 4x PIR’s, 1x DC and chrome keypad

1x pendant light+1x 1gang light switch + 1x d.socket in 6x plot lofts

2x external bollard lights per 6x plots -allowed for £100 per bollard

-all trenches/ducting to be provided by client

1x metal 5way landlord consumer unit

6x communal external bollard lights- allowed for £100 per bollard

1x 13amp switch fuse spur only for electric gate]

-all trenches/ducting to be provided by client

 

[Leesparkykent]

I'm having trouble quoting..if they are newbuilds they should be zero rated for vat.

 

[J.C.E]

I'm having trouble quoting..if they are newbuilds they should be zero rated for vat.

what do you mean zero rated for vat

 

[Leesparkykent]

You do not apply vat to newbuilds as they are zero rated...in other words vat is 0%.