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  1. supasparxs
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    supasparxs Electrician's Arms

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    When I was working on the Westfield Stratford City Development last summer, some of the sparks that were working for Tommy Clarke's
    told me that they and the big boys (NG Bailey's, Mathew Hall, Balfor Kilpatrik and someone else the name escapes me) were leaving the JIB so that do not have to agree and pay the JIB rates and conditions.

    they all have their own agencies, so they will insist that we have the JIB cards but we will not pay the rate

    what have peopple heard about this
     
  2. i=p/u
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    i=p/u Trusted Advisor

    what is jib rate?????
     
  3. spinlondon
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    As it stands, the JIB has electricians, mates and labourers. (in general).
    The new Besna scheme, as I understand it, wants to bring in a new classification for people who just do containment (metal muncher?).
    The pay for such work, will be somewhere between that of an electrician, and that of a labourer.
    You will be paid that rate, irrespective of what grade you hold with the JIB, unless the pay rate for your grade is less than that for this new BESNA classification.
    So as a JIB electrician, you would perhaps be paid £14.09.
    As a JIB mate you would be paid £8.09.
    As a BESNA metal muncher, you would be paid £10.59.
    This rate would only be paid to JIB electricians, and in the future to people with the BESNA metal munching grade.
    In time I would imagine, that even if you are graded as a JIB electrician, if you do not hold the BESNA metal muncher grade, you may find you will be paid the rate for a trainee metal muncher?
    I have been informed, that T. Clarkes has recently been awarded five new large contracts, based on the fact that they will be operating the BESNA scheme.
    I also understand that Balfours have quit the scheme, and I believe the other member you couldn't recall is Lang O'Rourke?
     
  4. Engineer54
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    I can remember a time when containment munchers as you call them now, were on the top electricians rate. There were teams of these guys, that went round the country doing all the bigger jobs. These guys were GOOD and worth their weight in gold!!! Probably far better at conduit,(as well as trunking, tray etc) erection than the best sparks, just don't ask them to wire it...lol!!!
     
  5. Guest123
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    Those days are long gone.

    We only need look at the AM2 test to see how highly regarded the skill of steel containment installation has now become.

    BBES have now pulled out of the BES(NA) but we have no news on the other 6 as yet.
     
  6. electromotive
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    electromotive EF Member

    yes been one of these metal munchers for years working all over the country for b.p and conoco philips on the refinerys and power stations and large construction sites.
    Well the industry you know and worked hard to qualify for, is going to change for ever.
    This all started with semi skilled jib graded men pulling cables into our containment for years,the next stage is we are finding is some of these guys throwing in poor quality containment on the next job, which often we had to redo.
    It was only a matter of time for this goverment with its foot in the door with big business to start down grading all the electrical rates to give greater profits to shareholders of which this goverment is a big player.
    I fifty years of age qualified to death and still love the electrical industry its been my life, but i fear for the future for the young ones entering in this industry.

    hope you have a good future!
     
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  7. supasparxs
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    Thanks for clarifying things you know what hearsay is like on a site
     
  8. alarm man
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    have a read of the deskilling thread,it wont be quick reading tho..over 200 pages
     
  9. supasparxs
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    supasparxs Electrician's Arms

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    200 pages.....
    i'll get a large drink and start at it
     
  10. Marvo
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    I'd just grab the entire bottle if I were you, it's a thread of epic proportions.
     
  11. spinlondon
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    spinlondon Trusted Advisor

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    Earlier today, I received a text from a colleague informing me that the BESNA has been scrapped.
     
  12. oldboy
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    indeed it has been scrapped. Thanks to a monumental effort by the rank and file (I.E. ordinary members who sacrificed their time, reputations, risked sacking , & blacklisting,) have saved your sorry asses for another day. Next time, & there will be a next time YOU!, yes YOU, need to mobilise.

    Get in touch with your local R & F committee and & find out what you can do to defend YOUR terms & conditions.

    UNIONISE & ORGANISE.

    UNITE & FIGHT WITH THE RANK & FILE
     
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  13. Arnold Layne
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    Spinlondon,
    you have a better grasp than most on this issue, however just to clarify a point there is no such thing as a JIB MATE. That grade does not exist within the universe of the JIB, it exits in the real world of the rest of us, but in the pretend world of the JIB is is not there and there is no rate attached to it. In fact as you will see from i=p/u's quote not only does the Mate rate not exist, but the JIB is a mystery. That is not a dig at i=p/u but an inditement on the JIB which claims to control the industry ( when half the industry hasn't heard of it) but maybe in the universe which they inhabit there are no mates!
     
  14. Arnold Layne
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    Arnold Layne Regular EF Member

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    Lenny,

    you would know better than I but my understanding is that most of the containment work that was in the AM2 has now been removed. Is this incorrect ?
     
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  15. Arnold Layne
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    Spinlondon,

    You are quite correct. It appears that owing to the campaign that was mounted the decision has been taken not to proceed with BESNA.
     
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