Timeguard rcd socket won’t trip with tester. Help please

[dnjr]

Dear All
Installation tncs. Wyler re-wireable fuses
I’ve fitted 2 x timeguard rcd sockets to provide protection for extension leads going outside but neither will trip with my tester. Trip fine on test button
Also trip when I do earth loop test ( fluke tester)
Socket tester says it’s all ok
Zs before I changed to rcd socket was 0.45
Doesn’t trip on ramp test
Ze 0.21
What the hell am I missing

Advise appreciated
Cheers

 

[Strima]

Circuit IR results?

Does your test meter trip other RCDs?

 

[dnjr]

Circuit IR results?

Does your test meter trip other RCDs?

Hi strima
Yep works fine elsewhere. Never used these red sockets before. Wondering if I’m missing something.

 

[Risteard]

I've come across faulty SRCDs out of the box before. Obviously without having seen the installation I can't say that this is the case here but certainly it is possible.

 

[Pete999]

Do they trip on the test button?

 

[dnjr]

I've come across faulty SRCDs out of the box before. Obviously without having seen the installation I can't say that this is the case here but certainly it is possible.

Hi Risteard
I thought of faulty rid but to have two , one single socket one double would be very odd. I rang timeguard and they said it was possible so am getting two more from wholesaler but don’t expect it to cure it
To be honest I was expecting someone to rip me a new one and say I’d missed something obvious

 

[dnjr]

Do they trip on the test button?

Hi Pete

Yep work on test button

Also forgot to say. IR tested before I changed them and all good

 

[Pete999]

Sounds like a daft question, but, what mA RATING is the socket

 

[dnjr]

Sounds like a daft question, but, what mA RATING is the socket

30mA
Doesn’t trip on ramp test either

 

[westward10]

Take one home and temporarily connect it and retry.

 

[dnjr]

Take one home and temporarily connect it and retry.

H
Evening Westward. Good call. Will do that when I can get back in there

 

[Midwest]

Agree with Strima, think you may have an IR fault. Have you done that test? Had similar experiences before, RCD not tripping & RCD tripping on Zs test. Both done to IR fault, neutral earth. That said, that was RCD at origin of circuit, but worth considering.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

are they passive or active rcd sockets?
I had an issue testing rcd sockets before now, they were passive ones, simply didnt always trip on a 1 or 5 x test. They were passive ones, they were a new generic unbranded model out at the time and cheap nasty stuff from far east. I took them back for a refund and turns out they later got recalled as the passive circuitry inside was no good.
I have heard that passive as opposed to active rcd sockets can cause issues with testing as they have the reset part built in.

 

[dnjr]

are they passive or active rcd sockets?
I had an issue testing rcd sockets before now, they were passive ones, simply didnt always trip on a 1 or 5 x test. They were passive ones, they were a new generic unbranded model out at the time and cheap nasty stuff from far east. I took them back for a refund and turns out they later got recalled as the passive circuitry inside was no good.
I have heard that passive as opposed to active rcd sockets can cause issues with testing as they have the reset part built in.

These are timeguard active ones. I wondered if they need a ‘special ‘test but apparently not

 

[Pete999]

30mA
Doesn’t trip on ramp test either

Idn't mean to shout I was on the phone, and doing two things at once confuses me, must be getting old!!

 

[dnjr]

Agree with Strima, think you may have an IR fault. Have you done that test? Had similar experiences before, RCD not tripping & RCD tripping on Zs test. Both done to IR fault, neutral earth. That said, that was RCD at origin of circuit, but worth considering.

Yep. IR test done before I started
L/e 180m. L/e 179m. Limited l/n as I couldn’t get to dishwasher or washing machine sockets

 

[dnjr]

Agree with Strima, think you may have an IR fault. Have you done that test? Had similar experiences before, RCD not tripping & RCD tripping on Zs test. Both done to IR fault, neutral earth. That said, that was RCD at origin of circuit, but worth considering.

Yep. IR test done before I started
L/e 180m. L/e 179m. Limited l/n as I couldn’t get to dishwasher or washing machine sockets

 

[dnjr]

Dear All
Installation tncs. Wyler re-wireable fuses
I’ve fitted 2 x timeguard rcd sockets to provide protection for extension leads going outside but neither will trip with my tester. Trip fine on test button
Also trip when I do earth loop test ( fluke tester)
Socket tester says it’s all ok
Zs before I changed to rcd socket was 0.45
Doesn’t trip on ramp test
Ze 0.21
What the hell am I missing

Advise appreciated
Cheers

Just been informed I’ve reached 100 posts. Does that mean I can attend the electricians arms. Could murder a pint

 

[Midwest]

Yep. IR test done before I started
L/e 180m. L/e 179m. Limited l/n as I couldn’t get to dishwasher or washing machine sockets

There you go, disconnect DW and see what happens. Try L/N to earth, see what you get (with DW connected).

 

[westward10]

Just been informed I’ve reached 100 posts. Does that mean I can attend the electricians arms. Could murder a pint

Not until you get those sockets to trip