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  1. gccs
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    C2 or C3, which do you think?
    Can't make my mind up.
    Any other thoughts?

    From MET, through wall to Electrode, not clipped to the wall, just dangling free.
    Electrode fully buried at the moment, under leaves and debris. Not cleared this away yet. Then....
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    .. as you can see, the insulation has been damaged!
    So, higher chance the cable will deteriorate

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    An absolute abortion
     
  4. gccs
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    So AA then instead of a C code?
     
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    The worst possible
     
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    Are you the one doing the EICR?
     
  7. gccs
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    Maybe!
    It's a rented property, so this was just noticed and will be sent to the agent. They may then ask for an EICR to be completed.
     
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    Right OK then it should be sorted soonest
     
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  10. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    You need to see the final connection before making a final judgement. The insulation damage isn't too much of a concern, bare earthing conductors to electrodes used to be common place.
     
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    I was going to say C3 improvment recomended (machanical protection) if the Ze was low and all other conditions were met eg RCD tails clamped etc.However you can not get in to test.
     
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    Eh?
     
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Think a comma is missing. RCD, tails clamped......
     
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    sorry tails clamped as they enter consumer unit (if metal) rcd or rcbo protection to overcome high Ze to meet disconnection times.
     
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    you know what I mean ,as I pointed out before I don't come on here to have a spelling/grammer test
     
  16. davesparks
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    If the Earthing conductor is damaged then it is potentially dangerous, you can argue all day long about what might be ok or whether it actually needs the insulation or not. But the fact remains that it is damaged and was not designed to be installed as a bare conductor.
     
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    You could probably cut the conductor off and you will still have a return path, whilst this isn't an ideal situation I wouldn't call it potentially dangerous. Looks like a strimmer has been at it.
     
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    There's a lot of things which could 'probably' be ok.
    I get your point, but without knowing what or how much corrosion has occurred to the conductor then I'll stick with a C2.
    I'd also recommend that the conductor be better protected, there's no point replacing it the same as it will likely suffer the same damage
     
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    What were the kitchen fitters thinking? I despair!
     
  21. richy3333
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    Looks like Kevin the kitchen fitter has had a hand at making that CU inaccessible! Good luck getting to the MET
     
  22. gccs
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    Pictures going off to the agents this morning; let's see what they say about it.
    Might just reach the MET, but access to the board it a little harder!
    Property is full lovely metal light fitting and switches and I'd guess there aren't any CPC's in those circuits.
     
  23. Murdoch
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    Your EICR isn't going to take long .......

    1 hour max with lots of LIM's as you can't get to the CU - which IMHO is a C2 so unsatisfactory...... why do people think this sort of set up is accessible!
     
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