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  1. harry olee
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    Should these be always housed in a wago cable retaining box if under plaster board?
     
  2. Wilko
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    Hi Harry - if you need a maintenance free jb then yes the MF marked Wagobox must be used along with connectors from either their 222 or 773 range. I also use the Ashley J803 which comes in one unit for a fiver. Hope that helps :)
     
  3. Murdoch
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    what do you mean by "under plasterboard"?

    The Ashley Hager J803 and J804 are better IMHO
     
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  4. harry olee
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    There is no "MF" mark on wago boxes though?
     
  5. Wilko
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    Ahh, there is if you look close :)
    (just ignore the baggy pants sticker)

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  6. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Awful things those Wago boxes.
     
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  7. Midwest
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    No they are not, best thing since sliced bread or round Bakelite joint boxes.
     
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  8. Lucien Nunes
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    Wagos themselves come from Germany, are very good and can be used in 1001 situations. The Wagobox is an English accessory that represents our interpretation of what to do with Wagos, and it's not my favourite. It's difficult to get steel conduits into the entries (do you pull out the black bit for 25mm?), while there's not enough depth for MI seals so they have to stay outside. I never work with T+E so I can't say how well that fits in. But seriously, I don't like having the terminals inline with the cable entries - any movement of the cable in the clamp can put tension on the terminals - and there's no option to leave slack for retermination. If you look at a continental-style junction box done the proper way with the separated cable cores marshalled at the back then brought over themselves in a neat row at the front, you will see that it is impossible to stress the connections by moving the cables and there's lots of wiggle-room for maintenance, and it works just as well in adaptables and even BESAs. The Wagos are not locked in as they are in a Wagobox but if you building is shaking about enough for that to make a difference, you have more important things to worry about.
     
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  9. Taylortwocities
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    So, you are not a fan then;)
     
  10. kingeri
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    The whole MF thing is over the top IMHO, what's wrong with using MF connectors in a suitable enclosure of your choice? I would much rather use say an adaptable box of my choosing, making sure the cables are secured of course. The wagoboxes are too limiting as to their applications.
     
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  11. Midwest
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    Blimey, never though of using a Wagobox for conduit, MI etc, or is that a have?

    Perfect for joining a few tw&e, don't think they were designed for anything else. Personally only use them for cables up to 2.5mm
     
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  12. HandySparks
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    I quite like Wagoboxes; use a lot of them. But I do agree that they'd be so much better without the internal dividers that lock the Wagos in place. They make it harder to fit and risk stressing the connection.
     
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  13. westward10
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    I see absolutely no reason why you can't put them in any suitable enclosure. It is a nonsense to suggest they are only MF if installed in one of those flimsy Wago boxes.
     
  14. Andy78
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    I agree with you and Kingeri. I use the Line products enclosures, Wiska boxes, other adaptable boxes, and any enclosure I see fit for the purpose.
     
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  15. Wilko
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    No doubting the common sense of this.
    But apparently Mr Wago used their box and connectors together when being certified as MF. So neither is certified MF by themselves as I understand it.
     
  16. westward10
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    I agree but to me it is not the enclosure which is MF. How do you go about fitted half a dozen cables into one.
     
  17. Vortigern
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    Heretic! You sound like one of those people who say "Never tried guinness 'cos I don't like it"
     
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    If i had a situation where six separate cables were joined,i would not want it "MF",preferring to choose a better method,and making it accessible.

    .....Or....one i viewed during a recent rip-out,where an enterprising spark,had thrust four joined T&E cables,into a fresh,halved 350ml tube of silicone sealant,and zip-tied it to the studding.
    It looked like a fused stick of gelignite...
     
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    I use them inside Wiska boxes. It's just MF as any other plastic box.
     
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    ot line products "eggs". decent amount of space inside.
     
  21. Hellmooth
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    I'm the same, I use them pretty much anywhere I am making a connection that would normally be done with connector block or the like.
     
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    That's too much like common sense. Maybe if you could find an adaptable box with the magic "MF" stamped on it, it would be fine ;)
     
  23. Murdoch
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    Wago boxes are good as they will fit through down light holes
     
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    so will the line "eggs" (50mm diam.).
     
  25. westward10
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    That MF stamp is a nonsense.
     
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    Love Guinness, not awful like those Wago boxes:)
     
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    When you put it that way, Guinness is always Good.
     
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    I have used the a couple of times, but if I need more space then a wiska box
     
  29. harry olee
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    The wagobox enclosure i have purchased for lighting? is the "Wagobox Light" version embossed on the enclosure but there is no MF embossed on the the inside of the lid or elsewhere.
    It is smaller than the normal box but has cable restraints.

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/wagobox-light-junction-box/8423fhttp:
     
  30. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Do they restraints really restrain flexible cords.
     
  31. Wilko
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    If you need MF then it's got be a Wagobox as per post #5, they're the ones that have been tested and certified and have the approval stamp.
     
  32. Hellmooth
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    Can you post a link can't find them?
     
  33. Andy78
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    Give me a J601 any day, Dave MF.
     
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    Yes I use them a lot. Mainly for lighting and mainly in lofts and behind downlight holes, so still accessible.
     
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  37. Midwest
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    I like using the Wagobox in loft space for lighting (when adding fancy luminaires, or Class 2 fittings). The box can be mounted on a vertical batten, so it's visible above the insulation, for when the next poor soul comes along :)
     
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    I've done this a few times, a bit of wood poking up through the insulation with a JB on it, think last time I used a Hager/Ashley though. Seem to remember it was the height of summer and the loft space was scorching hot, couldn't get out of there quick enough.
     
  39. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Yep I know, love loft spaces, especially in the summer. :mad:
     
  40. Vortigern
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    Well if you wanna get out of the loft quick like, use wago!
     
  41. harry olee
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    I found it very difficult to close the normal wago box lid shut with 4mm twin and earth yet the cable retainer did not seem that secure with 1.5mm
     
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    What size Wagos were you using?
     
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  44. harry olee
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    Normal ones not the light version
     
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