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  1. Jack McKenna
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    Jack McKenna New EF Member

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    I've just replaced a CU and about to sticker it up with the relevant notices but wondering if I can put them on the inside of the cover so that the unit looks neat and clean from the outside (it's above a TV in a living room).
    BS7671 states phrases like "in a prominent position at or near the origin of the installation" [514.12.2] but I just wanted some opinions on this. Using this work for my NICEIC assessment coming up and don't want to be taking risks.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    I would say the rcd and the date test labels would need to be on show as the rcd label especially gives guidance to the installation user about quarterly testing the rcd using the test button.
    The point of labelling I would say is that it gives clear information so if it's hidden it defeats the object
     
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  3. Strima
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    Strima Electrician's Arms

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    Stick them inside the lid. If the assessor asks why just say "Because I can".
     
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  4. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    has long has the appropriate labels are on, then the (accuser) NICEIC will not fail you.
    if they can not find any faults with you work .
     
  5. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    The point of labelling I would say is that it gives clear information so if it's hidden it defeats the object[/QUOTE]
    I would say there is no point of labelling.
     
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  6. Andy78
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    Andy78 Trusted Advisor

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    I always explain a consumer unit to a customer fully at hand over, including all required labels and their wording and intent.
    If you take this approach and explain this to your inspector, I can't see you having a problem with the positioning of the labels.
     
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  7. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    and don't for get to put on danger 240 label on , they love them !
     
  8. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    I wouldn't bother.
    Regs requires a warning label when voltage to earth is above 230 volts only.
     
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  9. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    I would say there is no point of labelling.[/QUOTE]
    Non at all?
     
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  10. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    the more stickers the better,
     
  11. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Non at all?[/QUOTE]
    None at all.
     
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  12. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    I know from past experiences they like it if you've fitted smoke detectors that you add the install label to the db which comes with the smokes and that it's dated and filled out.
    As per manufacturers instructions I think the reason
     
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  13. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    any labels missing from c/u the accuser will fail you
     
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  14. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    He can't just fail you on regulations which don't exist tho.
    Just point out the relevant parts in bs 7671 the 230volt label being one of them
     
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  15. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    I agree they will pull you on not having the correct notices, 230v not being one of them. They deem these to be very important but in the grand scheme of things they are pointless.
     
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  16. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    the big yell book ,it is better be over board then under !
     
  17. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    In the case of an initial assessment I'd probably agree with you there.
     
  18. Dave OCD
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    Dave OCD Electrician's Arms

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    Do you mean Assessor or saying Accuser for comedy effect ? :rolleyes:
     
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  19. tomspark93
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    Did a rewire last year and the board was in the cellar. Went back two weeks after the board was done to finish off and the labels had more or less disappeared...There was a snail sat next to them:)
     
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  20. Dave OCD
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    Obviously he'd had very little training. :D
     
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  21. davesparks
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    If we are talking about an niceic assessor then they can fail you for things which aren't in bs7671. They are assessing you against the niceic's requirements which include, but are not necessarily limited to, complying with bs7671.
     
  22. davesparks
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    My solution is to print the required notices on the circuit chart which gets fixed to or near to the DB.
     
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  23. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    wonder if after eating the labels he came out of his shell. ( or if he's a member of the opposition, his esso ).
     
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  24. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    So they make up their own rules?
    Don't buy all of that really you should be assessed against bs 7671 and any building regulations or against whatever scope of work is being assessed
    Yes you need all necessary paperwork/insurance to meet their requirements
    Having said all that I've only worked for niceic companies so if I wanted to join they'd have me jumping through hoops or just be happy taking my money
     
  25. davesparks
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    Of course they make up their own rules, they are a company running a registration scheme, they need rules to operate and nobody outside of the company is going to make them.

    It is only their domestic installer scheme which has any external influence dictating what is, or is not, required of their assessment process.
     
  26. Strima
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    Only ever had one dubious labelling comment from an NIC area engineer, the site was missing a circuit chart. In the grand scheme of things not exactly a hanging offence.

    The board had three ways on it and all MCBs were clearly labelled so I didn't see the need for a circuit chart.

    I've had dealings with several assessors and never had an issue with them. On the last site visit on Tuesday he didn't even fully look at the work we did as it was all high level lighting with some emergency thrown in for good measure. Just had a good poke around the site and agreed with the comments I'd made on the cert, we actually had a good chat and a bit of a laugh.

    Part of the job was emergency exit lighting and he wasn't even interested in the legend arrow pointing the wrong was as it's not within the scope of BS7671.

    It's comforting to know the cheque had cleared when they cashed it... ;)
     
  27. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    The dual color warning label is a waste of time, money and space
     
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  28. buzzlightyear
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    when I first joined the scam in 2005 with NICEIC at the time, sticker was missing
    a kid had taken it off, the accuser failed me on it .and now every c/u change over
    I take a pic just in case.
     
  29. stevethesparks
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    stevethesparks Electrician's Arms

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    Can anyone tell me if they know of anyone that regularly tests their RCD's every 3 months?
     
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  30. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    I test mine every month, or some times once every two months!

    Errr well, the RCD I use to monthly check my MFT on :rolleyes:
     
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  31. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    We have a rcbo board...... Never tested in 3 years
     
  32. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    If people don't want to test the rcd button by the recommendation of a label it's their problem
     
  33. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Perhaps a mcb should have a test button.
     
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  34. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    How
    How would that work?
     
  35. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    I don't have the RCD test label on my CU.... took it off after my assessment.

    Most people don't know what an RCD is, let alone understand they need to test it!
     
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  36. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    It would go bang!
     
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  37. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    And people might soil themselves :p
     
  38. static zap
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    static zap Regular EF Member

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    Lawn mowing , hedge trimming season maybe ?
    Since having unreliable ones on extension leads !

    (Don't cut the cord or it becomes a mcb test )
     
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  39. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    It's a true statement however they are required to be fixed on/near the db in not smaller than the text size given in bs 7671
     
  40. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    A requirement none the less if required
     
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  41. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Trusted Advisor

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    Taken all labels off mine at home as when it was built someone stuck in right in the middle of the downstairs hallway wall.

    All pretty pointless, never heard of any home owner or school caretaker Test a RCD, only a electrician should be working in it do duel colour is pointless, 230v isn't needed and next test date isn't needed on the CU as only needed at the origin.
     
  42. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    hum.... anyone removing the lid of a CU should be more than familiar with the colours of the cables and shouldn't need a warning label this long after the colour changes...
     
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  43. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    The db would be fully labelled as required if it was for assessment by a scheme so don't see the difference but hey ho each to their own I guess.
     
  44. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    Rightly or wrongly DIY springs to mind I'm afraid.
     
  45. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    If a DIYer removes the cover of a CU and gets hurt...... its their own look out. I can't imagine a label will help
     
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