building inspector not happy!!

[HappyHippyDad]

Afternoon all..

I have recently been asked if I would sign off a new installation (large new build house) that I had not installed, I said 'no' and explained that I could supply an EICR. Even after a brief look around I could see a number of problems.

The building Inspector has said that he is not happy with an EICR and is going to 'have a think' about what to suggest.

Being new to this industry I wondered what you guys do when this situation arises? I.e new build where the electrician has walked out for whatever reason so the work cannot be supplied with a EIC and the Inspector is not happy with an EICR from a third party?

Cheers..

 

[Plonker 3]

Wait for the LABC to make a decision. Not alot else you can do right now.

 

[Plonker 3]

Why not give the inspectors number to your CPS and get them help in advising the course of action on your behalf?

 

[Des 56]

Following your offer for the only service you or anyone else can provide
The inspector now needs to do what he is paid to do,his own job

 

[Richard Burns]

Theoretically he could ask to have the work ripped out and re installed and an EIC issued.
But normally an EICR is accepted, no matter how bad things look, at least if any faults are identified then they can be rectified and if the results were really bad then the rip out and start again is always an option.
As Des says down to BC to do their job.

 

[snowhead]

Would be interesting to see if the Building Inspector tries to get it all ripped out and re done.

 

[guest119]

Did you find out why the original sparks are gone?
Could be a money/payments due issue and you are making it easy for the builder to continue to not pay the original.
Not saying this is the case, just, did you ask?

Boydy

 

[Engineer54]

If the truth be known, probably no spark involved, all installed by the builder with the help of a couple of his painters!!

 

[R G]

If the truth be known, probably no spark involved, all installed by the builder with the help of a couple of his painters!!

Wouldn't be the first time a builder has tried it on , we all know what they're like,

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Theoretically he could ask to have the work ripped out and re installed and an EIC issued.
But normally an EICR is accepted, no matter how bad things look, at least if any faults are identified then they can be rectified and if the results were really bad then the rip out and start again is always an option.
As Des says down to BC to do their job.

Have you ever seen that happen Richard or is another solution normally found?

Did you find out why the original sparks are gone?
Could be a money/payments due issue and you are making it easy for the builder to continue to not pay the original.
Not saying this is the case, just, did you ask?

Boydy

I'm more there helping a friend who is an electrician so he is dealing with the developer, he did say that he met the electrician who did the work and that that was actually the 'second' electrician to come in, so goodness knows what happened to the first.

I asked him to find out why the 'second electrician' is not offering an EIC but he didn't ask, I'm guessing the chap isn't registered and neither is my friend anymore (more industrial/commercial).

Thanks for the replies.. I'll be interested to see what the Inspector says!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

If the truth be known, probably no spark involved, all installed by the builder with the help of a couple of his painters!!

Thats kind of the feel that I'm getting. I think the developer just expected to pay off someone to sign it off.... he's very well off and made it clear he wanted it signed off quickly, so I expect he's not too happy with the current situation!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I wonder if the BC bloke has spotted some show stopping work and isn't happy because it's so bad....

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Normally they don't give two hoots, drink a cup of tea, check there are 498 smoke alarms, run hand along plaster and leave

 

[Richard Burns]

I do not personally know of a rip out and start again scenario. But this would not normally be the first action unless the install was very dangerous, rectification is more the style (which would require an ECIR to find all the noticeable faults).

 

[guest119]

Do yourself a favour and walk (run) away.
If you get involved with a "well off" developer at this stage in your career you will eventually be sucked in ££ and blackened. Think dance with the devil/playing with fire.

Boydy

 

[NDG Elecs]

HHD - look into a process called regularisation. Many BC departments have this for exactly this kind of situation. I can send you a pdf of how the council near to me does it. Costs a bit though ~ £300??

EDIT: the pdf would be completely free...!! The 300 squid is the council's exorbitant charges!

 

[Knobhead]

Beats me why HHD even looked at the job in the first place.

A simple "get stuffed" solves the problem.

 

[ian.settle1]

We don't know the full story

It could be that this developer has been getting the builder etc to do the electrical work without a spark being involved except to sign it off.

Now the BC have had enough of ot and now making it an issue over numerous EICR being supplied for work to be signed off.

 

[colshaws]

I have a similar situation ongoing at present. Its a new build and the electrician has 90% completed the job and has had a breakdown , I have been asked to finish the job and issue a cert so I spoke to BC and was told they will not accept an EICR but if I was to replace the brand new cu and issue an EIC for the board change then that would be fine.

 

[baldsparkies]

Its the building inspectors call. An EICR can back that call up. But signing off is deffo down to the inspector on this one. Not your install so stay away from that side of things.

 

[Rockingit]

My local BC have categorically stated as a matter of policy that they do not accept EICRs for new builds, they will only accept an EIC (because that's what the regs say). Not sure where exactly that would leave the OP down here!!

 

[moospark]

Beats me why HHD even looked at the job in the first place.

A simple "get stuffed" solves the problem.

Nails it for me, although "I'm busy" is more my tack.

 

[PEG]

My local BC have categorically stated as a matter of policy that they do not accept EICRs for new builds, they will only accept an EIC (because that's what the regs say). Not sure where exactly that would leave the OP down here!!

I gather they ALL have this as "a policy",but due to the sheer number of these eventualities,a way round is usually found. If this wasn't true,there would be less completion certs,less sales and less progression. Think of it like the signs you see in shops that state "We always prosecute shoplifters"....well,they don't. I have seen and dealt with these "cast in stone" scenarios from cavity sizes,window spec and many other aspects of build regulation. Remember,the BC inspectors oversee the minimum required codes,which does not mean you cannot challenge those with better specification. Also,BC inspectors are only human,and i have found them (mostly),to be knowledgeable and minded,if they possibly can,to assist. I was chatting to one such fellow and he was relating some of the sights he's come across which would make you wince,including an entire side addition built to DPC with not 2 bricks laid to a bond (think 5 year old with building blocks...) marvellous:troll:

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Do yourself a favour and walk (run) away.
If you get involved with a "well off" developer at this stage in your career you will eventually be sucked in ££ and blackened. Think dance with the devil/playing with fire.

Boydy

Not a chance Boydy, I'd never be able to look my father in the eye again if I did that! It may sound a bit unlikely but I'm more interested in doing a good job than the bucks.

Beats me why HHD even looked at the job in the first place.

A simple "get stuffed" solves the problem.

It wasn't quite as simple as that Tony. The 'third' electrician called in was a friend of mine who is an Industrial electrican and didn't have a great understanding of the paperwork/regs, he asked me over for advice and said can I sign it off. I said 'No', but I could do an EICR. Theres no harm in me doing an EICR and I was all set to get started when the Inspector said he's going to 'think about it' as he wasn't happy with an EICR.

I'm quite looking forward to seeing what the Inspector says!

 

[Knobhead]

We industrial electricians get blamed for everything. May as well add this to the list.

 

[Rockingit]

I gather they ALL have this as "a policy",but due to the sheer number of these eventualities,a way round is usually found. If this wasn't true,there would be less completion certs,less sales and less progression. Think of it like the signs you see in shops that state "We always prosecute shoplifters"....well,they don't. I have seen and dealt with these "cast in stone" scenarios from cavity sizes,window spec and many other aspects of build regulation. Remember,the BC inspectors oversee the minimum required codes,which does not mean you cannot challenge those with better specification. Also,BC inspectors are only human,and i have found them (mostly),to be knowledgeable and minded,if they possibly can,to assist. I was chatting to one such fellow and he was relating some of the sights he's come across which would make you wince,including an entire side addition built to DPC with not 2 bricks laid to a bond (think 5 year old with building blocks...) marvellous:troll:

My own local guy down here is utterly, absolutely, 100% 'by the book'. I'll have to ask him next time I see him what he'd do in that situation!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Afternoon all..

I have recently been asked if I would sign off a new installation (large new build house) that I had not installed, I said 'no' and explained that I could supply an EICR. Even after a brief look around I could see a number of problems.

The building Inspector has said that he is not happy with an EICR and is going to 'have a think' about what to suggest.

Being new to this industry I wondered what you guys do when this situation arises? I.e new build where the electrician has walked out for whatever reason so the work cannot be supplied with a EIC and the Inspector is not happy with an EICR from a third party?

Cheers..

LOL...

heard it all now....

 

[benji]

could hippyhappy say to client the only way i could sign it off is to remove all accessories lift floor boards in every room test & trace every circuit & rectify anything that is wrong ,could take a full week depending on whats found lacking tell them your daily price and an upfront payment all detailed in writing and signed for

 

[GLENNSPARK]

could hippyhappy say to client the only way i could sign it off is to remove all accessories lift floor boards in every room test & trace every circuit & rectify anything that is wrong ,could take a full week depending on whats found lacking tell them your daily price and an upfront payment all detailed in writing and signed for

if you dont get the joke then dont make the quote

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Beats me why HHD even looked at the job in the first place.

A simple "get stuffed" solves the problem.

still trying to work it out are we Tony?

 

[Geordie Spark]

if you dont get the joke then dont make the quote

..... and, if you can't take a joke marriage may not be for you.