Clarkson Evans. Help?!

[Guest55]

Is there nothing you haven't done

and the point of your tedious post is ? .........
at least i made comment from experience of the subject at hand.

why are you bothering to follow me around making digs at every little post i make KAS1 ?
you add absolutely nothing to this forum other than being a monumental nob.
youre a sad sad man lol.
its just too easy ripping the crap out of your posts but you never learn , sigh.

 

[KAS1]

Bit of a knowitall aren't we BIFFO

and the point of your tedious post is ? .........
at least i made comment from experience of the subject at hand.

why are you bothering to follow me around making digs at every little post i make KAS1 ?
you add absolutely nothing to this forum other than being a monumental nob.
youre a sad sad man lol.
its just too easy ripping the crap out of your posts but you never learn , sigh.

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by biff55
have either archy or Eng had medical treatment in the U.S. ?

i have , emergency tooth extraction in california - the speed / care / service was outstanding
beyond anything you'll see in the nhs im afraid.

And the insurance cover paid for it too!! Thing is, no insurance no medical treatment!! I don't think many know, including within the US, just how many ordinary people, don't have any form of medical insurance, least of all dental!!

Funny you mention speed, because i can't count the amount of Yanks i know, complain about the extra cost associated with receiving a speedy service!! Now wait for the crunch line, .....The Yanks over here, rate the service and treatments available, as ''Better'' yes Better, than they would expect to receive at home!!!

 

[KAS1]

If you'd all watch the film "sicko" by Mr M Moore it'll open peoples eyes, perhaps not BIFFS

 

[Guest55]

And the insurance cover paid for it too!! Thing is, no insurance no medical treatment!! I don't think many know, including within the US, just how many ordinary people, don't have any form of medical insurance, least of all dental!!

Funny you mention speed, because i can't count the amount of Yanks i know, complain about the extra cost associated with receiving a speedy service!! Now wait for the crunch line, .....The Yanks over here, rate the service and treatments available, as ''Better'' yes Better, than they would expect to receive at home!!!

of course 1 st class care costs big money the world over , paid mainly by insurance policies , but i'd definately consider going private in the UK if i could afford it.
the yanks may seem impressed with the nhs because its free and incredibly convienient , but i'd still rather be in a US hospital with something life threatening though.

 

[Engineer54]

If you'd all watch the film "sicko" by Mr M Moore it'll open peoples eyes, perhaps not BIFFS

Yep it certainly opened they're eyes on the costs of medicines they are getting totally ripped off on!! That was quite an interesting and eye opening documentary film, in more ways than one!! lol!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

of course 1 st class care costs big money the world over , paid mainly by insurance policies , but i'd definately consider going private in the UK if i could afford it.
the yanks may seem impressed with the nhs because its free and incredibly convienient , but i'd still rather be in a US hospital with something life threatening though.

but once the money/cover ran out.....you would be left to croak ....
thats the way it is in america.....
and theres a lot as well that have vested interest in american healthcare....
this is what barrak obama is up against in congress.....trying to get bill`s through that are fiercely opposed by those that have their own agenda in who gets healthcare....and who doesn`t....
and all this from a supposed civilised society (that america and americans claim to be)...
how america can claim to be the light is beyond me...it really is...
and i`m no socialist either...

 

[Guest55]

no system is perfect , all have to make compromises
but im of the mindset that i'd rather pay more and get better quite simply.

 

[Engineer54]

of course 1 st class care costs big money the world over , paid mainly by insurance policies , but i'd definately consider going private in the UK if i could afford it.
the yanks may seem impressed with the nhs because its free and incredibly convienient , but i'd still rather be in a US hospital with something life threatening though.

Biff if you get the chance watch that film KAS1 mentioned. You may just change your mind, on just how good the medical care is in the States. Having medical insurance cover in the States isn't unfortunately any guarantee for receiving the treatment you need!! The insurance companies can drop you like a stone, ...legally!! lol!!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

have either archy or Eng had medical treatment in the U.S. ?

i have , emergency tooth extraction in california - the speed / care / service was outstanding
beyond anything you'll see in the nhs im afraid.

oooooo i have to contest that Mr Biff!

My missus works in the NHS and some of the people she works with, the daily things they achieve, beggars belief.

yes its a great lumbering dinosaur but alot of the time its brilliant. They delivered both my kids no problem, it was like checkng into a hotel.

don't know what the US deal is but its the UK thats the envy of the world.


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[Guest55]

im not saying the front line staff dont do an excellent job , but lets be real for a minute -
people go in uk hospitals with minor issues and sometimes dont come out again.
and this is just not my experiences , my sister had twins last xmas and checked herself out in 24 hrs - it was very poor.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

no system is perfect , all have to make compromises
but im of the mindset that i'd rather pay more and get better quite simply.

yep...
My father works in the NHS and he tells me that its like a bottomless pit....it doesn`t matter how much money you throw at it...it will always want more....
this it why wards have to be managed now....couldn`t go back to the old sister of the ward stuff....it just wouldn`t work...
and it isn`t just the NHS...its every damn thing....public transport, schools ect...
the issue that politicians are just skirting round is that were just too damned full...
and nobody is prepared to grab the bull by the horns and take us out of europe, stop all this unbridalled immigration and stop making presents & prizes of taxpayers money to countrys that have no affiliation with us whatsoever.....
until this either stops from those that have been put into the seat of government or those that have ambitions of government then the whole sorry show will continue as we trundle and lurch from one ridiculous extreme to another...
anyone remember the olympic 2012 logo?....
there it was flashing in dayglo aggressively and constantly jerking and jaring....
a bit like Tony blairs post millennium britain actually...never at rest....never at piece with itself....

 

[KAS1]

They even check your cover in the ambulance before giving out CPR lol

 

[Silly Sausage]

have either archy or Eng had medical treatment in the U.S. ?

i have , emergency tooth extraction in california - the speed / care / service was outstanding
beyond anything you'll see in the nhs im afraid.

No I haven't and I'm sure their service is wonderful, if you're fully paid up on your insurance or whatever.
Sure there probably are bad aspects of the NHS, you can say that about any other service you choose to pick out of thin air, but overall the NHS is brilliant, walk (or stumble) in anytime day or night and you get free service!
It's what we pay our fooking taxes for!!!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

My main worry is...yes, you guessed it, the training.

Just like our industry, its all been fast tracked and watered down in the world of doctors too.

not being funny but the doctors that are 40+ are eminently more trained and experienced than the new breed.

when my missus started they did 100 hour weeks, 24 hour shifts, none of this silly 48 hrs a week and then time-&-a-half. No. After 40 hours they used to get HALF TIME.

IF I ever have to go into hospital I will be requesting the oldest, wrinkliest doctor, because believe me, you'll be in better-trained hands.

Just like older sparkies.

mostly!!!

 

[KAS1]

During 911 there were fire fighters who helped on their rest days, when they developed breathing problems (due to the dust etc) their insurance companies refused their medical treatment as they shouldn't of been at work. That's insurance companies for you lol

 

[Outspoken]

Some people do talk bow locks. I spent 5 years working for a Canadian company mostly on US soil some 25 years ago and I had experience of their medical care. The medical staff, as with most countries with proper training are first rate, and to slag off the medical care overall is unfair and unrealistic, that is true to the NHS and the US system, but the system we both operate are not fit for the purpose they were originally envisaged to cope with.

The NHS is a lumbering dinosaur, way to much money that should be spent on frontline services is squandered to pander to useless wasters, over the top management excess, poor project management and placating Unions who are still out of control.

As a tax payer I want the NHS to be what it was always meant to be, a free at point of use system regardless of your position in society or financial situation, SO LONG AS YOU ARE BRITISH OR FROM A COUNTRY WITH A PRO-RATA AGREEMENT.

However as a tax payer I also want the system to be efficient, provide first rate medical care and be what we all need it to be, if it is the envy of the world so be it, but this should not be a desire determining how it is run.

As such the NHS should be a management system, that decrees how medical services are provided, that establishes costs for treatments bla bla bla and pays out to those providing those services on our behalf. It is up to the organisations running those services to do so at a profit and to a standard decreed by law and protected by law.

As such all hospitals etc should be sold off and run as private businesses.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I hope you're not directing that post at me!
I've no idea how it operates as a business, I'm commentating as a long term user, and to repeat for the Nth time, NHS is ace.

 

[Hants-Spark]

Not really a full on debate I want to get into but I have been on the receiving end of both the NHS and US medical services, and as I'm still here I would say they both provided a good service. I believe the problem with the NHS at the moment is that due to the government campaign to clamp down on smoking and the reduced revenue this has caused they are now struggling to make ends meet, yes in the long run once all the long term smokers who were apparently taking up the NHS resources eventually pass away in about 25yrs time it may get back to its good old reliable self but in the mean time they are now looking after/treating these smokers but not having the funds to do so.....IMO

 

[Silly Sausage]

Anyway, I'm off to drink crates more of strong beer, with the warm comfortable feeling that I'll get a free liver transplant a few years down the line.

Auf Wiedersehen chaps !