EF's referendum on the EU.

[MDJ]

The rigs belong to BP and Norway I believe,as do all the equipment and the billions invested in the whole set up, however it is scottish soil (so to speak haha), so if Scotland do decide to break up the UK then things could get nasty between all parties concerned, Legally I think Scotland will have a good point about being lawful in owning whats left of the wells as the rigs are just inside their waters and not Norways, However I'm more concerned about all our futures if we part, Much more important than the remaining oil there together we are stronger for sure IMO, And lets not forget, all BP would need to do is stick up another well in English waters and use a special drill to get to the same fields from the new position, perhaps a battle of the Seas may happen Come on Scotland stay in the UK :17:

 

[Darkwood]

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Re read grant, im fully supportive of your right to decide what your future is, i even said i believe its in yours and our interest not to go independent.
I state im British and proud as a response to Des's delution of Empire quote just to say that because you stand by you country and are patriotic dosn't mean you are walking around with blinkers on as il leave that tag to EDL .


Ive got a few close friends who are Scottish and we often have a jovial banter of our differences but end of the day i class them as close friends because they are good people and not based on where they are from..... although il mention they having never got a round in


Bugger you edited it Grant but not before i read it lol but doubt it would have got you a warning although i did struggle to understand why you thought that.

 

[Des 56]

It's a shame Grant removed whatever it was he posted
If you have an opinion,whatever it may be, it reinforces any democracy by being able to take advantage of making that opinion known,so thats a pity



Now in the spirit of open discussion,I take a view on a subject and will defend that view as best I can
I will also say that I never hold rigid views and would change my opinion if need be

The post by veglen is factual,well constructed and there is little to argue about with his conclusion,so i take my hat off to him for that

My defence of his well made points is "USA"

The USA does not suffer the wide gap in economy or living standards because it has fuctioned as one country with one foriegn policy and one national stratedgy with non national decisions made at state level
The EU has been trying for many years to swim against a tide of obstruction to steer towards a simillar type of set up (mainly Gt Britain)

Nationalism in all the countrys especially the UK as hindered and damaged EU aspirations,but the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is still driving the countrys onwards
No country,including the UK, wants to leave the EU.rather lots would love to join,even after all the turmoil of the last few years
Does that not tell you something !

The problems of an inefficient EU were created by the reluctance of politicians and the nationalism of the various peoples to greater and lesser extents to intergrate fully
An intergrated economy can only be successful when the main decisions are made for Europe as a whole,the same as in the USA

Once the blinds are removed from the little Englanders and the rightful,full part taken up at the forefront of EU decision making, the better for everyone

UK plc was a manufacturing giant,the politicians over the last 4 decades,living in their cacoon of Westminister have destroyed what was once a very proud and self producing economy
The country has "Banking" carried out in the city of London.take away that banking and the country is desolute.(we have no manufacturing to speak of)

Now look at other countrys,Germany in particular
A banking crises in Germany does not impact on them to anywhere near what it does here
You could remove most banking activity from Frankfurt and their economy would hardly know it existed

This country,for greed and selfish reasons,mainly by rich political folk,has all its eggs in the financial market
The financial markets do not produce a single cornflake,it has no foundation of gears and ploughs and hammers, it's wealth creation which this country holds so much stock,is born on the backs of taking its share of manufacturing carried out by the other countrys

We need to change the thoughts and the greed and the ways of those who, year after year and decade after decade,hold the power,the power that has strangled the lifeblood out of the country when closing our ability to produce and propagated our reliance on paper wealth

The EU is our lifeline,it is the only future where our degeneration can have a chance of recovery

That recovery requires sacrifice,the sacrifice is the power to make unselfish decisions,to take a part in collective decisions, to put aside national greed in favour of collective increased wealth and stability

The EU has a prosperous future in front of it,
Bankers Britain,because that is all it would ever be, will just continue on its long road of decay

 

[Vegelen]

The USA does not suffer the wide gap in economy or living standards because it has functioned as one country with one foreign policy and one national strategy with non national decisions made at state level.

Yes it does.
There is a very large variance in the economies and living standards of different parts of the United States.
Contrary to what people think, the USA does have lots of poverty, destitution, poor health care provision etc.
It may function as one country but it doesnt always operate efficiently as one.
It is the most heavily indebted nation on earth, that is very far from being a perfect example of economic success.
Parts of the United States have little to no economy, just like parts of Europe.
My point was that if you have different economies, operating at different speeds, 1 unified currency with 1 interest rate wont benefit all areas of the economic zone at the same time.
I like having one currency in europe for travelling, but I can see the negative side effects of everyone operating under the same currency using the same interest rates.
Reality tends to smack one in the mouth in Europe at unexpected times.
Ask a Greek taxi driver in Kefalonia how much a coffee used to cost under the drachma and he will tell you 40p.
Ask how much under the euro and he will tell you a couple of euro.
Since the Euro was introduced prices have risen sharply.
The whole point of the European Union initially was to make a far more efficient, effective unified economic trading zone.
The European Unions interest rates have been set for Europes largest trading economies.
Europes monkeys suffer when the organ grinder plays his tune at the wrong speed.
Some people mistakenly believe that "bigger is always better", that if everyone tethers their legs together with rope, everyone will walk together in a better unified fashion.
Experience has taught me to respect and champion difference.
I love Europe, I love the UK.
But I dont love a bunch of politicians centred in Belgium, imposing lots of unnecessary rules on people, causing lots of long term problems, living in gilded cages, failing to listen to the EU's broad economic electorate.
It is about time these goons leave their plush offices and travel to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Ireland etc and ask people on the ground what is going wrong in the European Union and how it needs to change to improve.
The European Unions parliment has turned into a large bureaucratic turd, that is failing to accommodate the needs of its citizens - only the very foolish would seek to think otherwise.

 

[telectrix]

especially like the bureaucratic turd definition.

 

[grantr37]

Yes it does.
There is a very large variance in the economies and living standards of different parts of the United States.
Contrary to what people think, the USA does have lots of poverty, destitution, poor health care provision etc.
It may function as one country but it doesnt always operate efficiently as one.
It is the most heavily indebted nation on earth, that is very far from being a perfect example of economic success.
Parts of the United States have little to no economy, just like parts of Europe.
My point was that if you have different economies, operating at different speeds, 1 unified currency with 1 interest rate wont benefit all areas of the economic zone at the same time.
I like having one currency in europe for travelling, but I can see the negative side effects of everyone operating under the same currency using the same interest rates.
Reality tends to smack one in the mouth in Europe at unexpected times.
Ask a Greek taxi driver in Kefalonia how much a coffee used to cost under the drachma and he will tell you 40p.
Ask how much under the euro and he will tell you a couple of euro.
Since the Euro was introduced prices have risen sharply.
The whole point of the European Union initially was to make a far more efficient, effective unified economic trading zone.
The European Unions interest rates have been set for Europes largest trading economies.
Europes monkeys suffer when the organ grinder plays his tune at the wrong speed.
Some people mistakenly believe that "bigger is always better", that if everyone tethers their legs together with rope, everyone will walk together in a better unified fashion.
Experience has taught me to respect and champion difference.
I love Europe, I love the UK.
But I dont love a bunch of politicians centred in Belgium, imposing lots of unnecessary rules on people, causing lots of long term problems, living in gilded cages, failing to listen to the EU's broad economic electorate.
It is about time these goons leave their plush offices and travel to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Ireland etc and ask people on the ground what is going wrong in the European Union and how it needs to change to improve.
The European Unions parliment has turned into a large bureaucratic turd, that is failing to accommodate the needs of its citizens - only the very foolish would seek to think otherwise.

The prices have gone up in Europe since the currency(change to euro) has made it easier for Banks to move around without internal exchange rates varying the value, just a direct transfer bank to bank without financial borders.....with the result that greedy corporations and "financiers" i.e business cronies can make huge business price mark-ups then send the money into switzerland, Lichtenstien, Caymen Islands, channel islands bank accounts then withdraw it in the USA and the South of France/monaco etc at leisure......the government loves to threaten the little guy about paying every last 1 Penny for tax, but they rub shoulders with "socialites" and "financiers" so they let their chums away with it....and the serfs suffer...

 

[Darkwood]

It's a shame Grant removed whatever it was he posted
If you have an opinion,whatever it may be, it reinforces any democracy by being able to take advantage of making that opinion known,so thats a pity

It was a jovial dig at me Des hence my response... suggested i didnt like Scots but wasn't sure where he got that?
But nothing regarding input on the debate.

 

[grantr37]

The rigs belong to BP and Norway I believe,as do all the equipment and the billions invested in the whole set up, however it is scottish soil (so to speak haha), so if Scotland do decide to break up the UK then things could get nasty between all parties concerned, Legally I think Scotland will have a good point about being lawful in owning whats left of the wells as the rigs are just inside their waters and not Norways, However I'm more concerned about all our futures if we part, Much more important than the remaining oil there together we are stronger for sure IMO, And lets not forget, all BP would need to do is stick up another well in English waters and use a special drill to get to the same fields from the new position, perhaps a battle of the Seas may happen Come on Scotland stay in the UK :17:

would that drilling mechanism be 50 miles long by any chance?

 

[grantr37]

It was a jovial dig at me Des hence my response... suggested i didnt like Scots but wasn't sure where he got that? But nothing regarding input on the debate.

whatever he said.....

 

[grantr37]

especially like the bureaucratic turd definition.

instead of calling them bureaucrats lets just call them beeuroturds....

 

[MDJ]

would that drilling mechanism be 50 miles long by any chance?

maybe, who cares anyhow, as I have mentioned I hope we all stay united, so there, poo pants and wee wee to you

 

[trev]

poo pants and wee wee to you

Is that the sound of the moral high gound being claimed Mike?

 

[Darkwood]

PMSL .... i see the 'no tolerence' approach to swearing is having unusual effects on peoples cursing

 

[Vegelen]

*Merde!

*A French word for Male and Female ballet dancers to say "break a leg" before they go on stage.

 

[MDJ]

I was only having fun for anyone with a chip :fuk2:

 

[grantr37]

I was only having fun for anyone with a chip :fuk2:

The way this country is going these days, pretty soon you will have a chip........embedded in your spine....lol...

 

[grantr37]

http://WavCentral.com/sounds/movies/enemy_state/esconv.mp3

 

[Darkwood]

Well he giving his speech as i write and TBH im a little supprised he basically slated the EU machine from all corners this is going to create an interesting slanging match from the other members of the EU
I resent the fact he has said public disillusion is at a high regarding the EU .... im public i follow the EU closely and under no terms am i diluded about the fact the EU is failing and falling apart the evidence is everywhere so exactly why is this a dillusion as at the moment if things dont changed we are going to be dragged under with it at a massive cost to britain .
Il give him this though im pleasantly supprised at the strength of attack he gave and a cast iron IN / OUT promise if hes voted back in next term, although i see this as a well worded promise as he surrounded it with new treaty agreements and deals.... it may sound like a straight forward speech but it has underlying strings attached.

 

[Octopus]

Fundementally the EU is socialist and believes in protectionism for its states and industries.

If and if Cameron is right about the decline of the EU its going to be in big trouble in a couple of decades, shackled with th Germans paying for the poorer countries and the French farmers protected.

 

[grantr37]

you vote him back in, things stay the same, still locked in to the EU forever, just wants voted back in then he will stick with the EU as people above him will not allow even a sniff at a chance to get out....