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IN or OUT of the EU

  • IN

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • OUT

    Votes: 35 83.3%

  • Total voters
    42
Excerpt from a recent currency traders report:

"Even though the Eurozone-wide results still showed output decreasing, the important thing for traders was that the figure was moving in the right direction, which added weight to the recent spate of claims that the worst of the debt crisis is over. Having said that the gap between the German and French, the 17-nation bloc’s largest and second largest, economies stretched to an unprecedented level, suggesting that more needs to be done to balance out labour market competitiveness, even in the Eurozone’s inner-most core."

So to reiterate my point. If you have a single currency with one set of interest rates, set by a European institution largely influenced by Germany and France, the variable european wide interest rates will benefit one country more than another, as many countries will be at different stages in the economic cycle.
The above report is saying a number of things we've been saying in this forum.
The German economy is outperforming all others including France and the difference between the 2 economies is growing. Unemployed workers are flowing towards the more successful economies with employment, creating a larger economic gap between the haves and the have nots.
Fortune favours the most powerful, not the brave.

So the Germans continue to benefit from the "weaker" Euro. If they still had their own currency their exports would be more expensive.

The Euro continues to help the strong and hinder the poor. Not sure this is what was intended.
 
It costs us a fortune, and we end up with all the s*** coming here, we are the mugs of europe, if the dross from other countries thought any different they would stop at another country and not come here, although i do understand why they try to get out of France. It is time we put up the "CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE" sign up.

Cheers...........Howard
 
The EU parliment reminds me of a group of people on a bar crawl, with the collective obliged to buy drinks.
In the end you end up buying more than you consume, left with a sinking feeling / empty wallet realising you've been taken advantage of.
Instinct telling you not to repeat the same mistake again.
Until the process repeats itself the following week - followed by an even greater sense of regret.
Until the day you mature and gain the strength to say "No more follow my leader" - its time to go it alone.
 
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The EU parliment reminds me of a group of people on a bar crawl, with the collective obliged to buy drinks.
In the end you end up buying more than you consume, left with a sinking feeling / empty wallet realising you've been taken advantage of.
Instinct telling you not to repeat the same mistake again.
Until the process repeats itself the following week - followed by an even greater sense of regret.
Until the day you mature and gain the strength to say "No more follow my leader" - its time to go it alone.

its called socialism, that is what the aim of the EU is. Rich get shafted for ever
 
Ironically, its the poor that eventually get burnt the most in the land of Socialism "Tax and Spend".

Ive got a good idea why don't we all get into a huge political debate about socialism and the other end of the scale being a supporter of the far right tory party, I will start==Thatchers britain, the death of the trade and the beginning of the end for the working man, total bull ---- from the tory owned media which a lot of folk believe, I wouldn't ---- on a tory if he was on fire, mind you I don't like any polititians but cut the tory bullsh1t
 
right and wrong on both sides of the political spectrum, mike. let's not get into a political debate. politics and religion, to me it's yes,minister or life of brian.

i've worked with a fervent socialist and a dyed in the wool tory. both were bone idle tw*ts.
 
Ive got a good idea why don't we all get into a huge political debate about socialism and the other end of the scale being a supporter of the far right tory party, I will start==Thatchers britain, the death of the trade and the beginning of the end for the working man, total bull ---- from the tory owned media which a lot of folk believe, I wouldn't ---- on a tory if he was on fire, mind you I don't like any polititians but cut the tory bullsh1t

I've lived to learn that most politicians left, right or centre serve themselves via the rich, in preference to serving the people that elected them.
Sub contracting power from our political institutions to Europe is a mistake.
Eventually we'll get burnt and repatriate the power of our political institutions back to the UK.
All people who are derided as having extreme, non populist views will be proved correct.
It took centuries to create a parliament / democracy which may not be perfect but was respected and copied around the world.
Now we are giving our autonomy away to people, far removed from our shores.
Politicians left, right and centre dont care to give an EU referendum to the British people.
They know that British people will give it a big thumbs down and want powers returned.
David Cameron has thrown a smoke screen in front of the British people appearing to give the impression that he's all for an EU referendum, to put the brakes on UKIP.
The only time this referendum will appear is when EU sentiment is very positive in the UK and their chance of splitting the UK vote is high.
Expect announcements of large EU investments into the UK from the EU parliment, creating lots of employment to coincide with this vote, while lots of hidden back handers from the EU parliment will be made to subvert political will, pushing this through.
Money talks - the EU parliment with the largest budget can talk the loudest.
 
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I only posted to basically suggest we don not let politics get into this thread, what was a debate about europe started to turn political regarding the parties here and socialism right or wrongly was getting a kicking, I think all politicians are dwicks and don't want the thread to get spoilt by internal bickering, especially when the talk got around to what would happen with the union and europe if the Jocks bailed out haha, so ignore the post politically views wise, it was to try to stop the views and Tel got there first well done Pal.
 
I heard a Frence minister say on the radio this week that the Euro countries could be "tied financially" further together and thus a new treaty won't be required - so thats another "fudge" by the EU and two fingers up to the UK.
 
this is from a country that wants us to change the name of waterloo station because it offends some froggies, being reminded of the battle of waterloo ( which, of course they lost ). somehow, i don't think agincourt station or collaboration station sounds appropriate.
 

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