Electrical sigh off

[sgrech]

yes. you need an EIC (electrical installation certificate). if no new circuits have been installed a MEWIC (minor electrical works installation certificate) might be sufficient. what's your location. a member or 2 must be in your vicinity, could pop in and have a look.

I am in Chelmsford Essex. I would be eternally grateful (both emotionally and financially) if a member in the area is available to come over and chat about what has been done and take a quick look at one of two things, particularly as there seems to be varying opinions on what certification is required and what if anything is notifiable.
This issue is giving me sleepness nights at present (particularly as I don't trust the builder - my wife does not even want him stepping back into the house tomorrow! Most importantly I really want to make sure my children are safe at night when they are sleeping.

One thing that I forget to mention earlier and I am not sure if it has any relevance, is that since the electrical commence about 4 light bulbs have blown which is unusually high number during such a short space of time.

Thanks
Simon

 

[Redvanman]

if you worked on 5 circuits you would fill out 5 individual mw certs? Or do you use multiple circuit ones?

Yep I'd use 5 MW certs

 

[onions1066]

Yep I'd use 5 MW certs

Why? Not saying either is right or wrong just wondering why?

 

[sgrech]

I am in Chelmsford Essex. I would be eternally grateful (both emotionally and financially) if a member in the area is available to come over and chat about what has been done and take a quick look at one of two things, particularly as there seems to be varying opinions on what certification is required and what if anything is notifiable.
This issue is giving me sleepness nights at present (particularly as I don't trust the builder - my wife does not even want him stepping back into the house tomorrow! Most importantly I really want to make sure my children are safe at night when they are sleeping.

One thing that I forget to mention earlier and I am not sure if it has any relevance, is that since the electrical commence about 4 light bulbs have blown which is unusually high number during such a short space of time.

Thanks
Simon

Anyone ?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Anyone ?

Too far away mate!

Start a new thread, 'Chelmsford, Essex. Electrician required Urgently'
I'm sure there's some good lads on here down your way.

 

[Redvanman]

Why? Not saying either is right or wrong just wondering why?

Personally I think its easier to explain what you've done to each circuit on MW certs

 

[onions1066]

So if you changed every accessory in a house all 10 circuits you would go as far as 10 or is 5 your limit

 

[trev]

Regarding certification. For example trev If you worked on 5 circuits in one propertyno new circuits added you wouldn't issue 5 minor works certs you would issue 1 eicr for them5 circuits. well I would as I wouldn't even consider 5 minor works. I don't really think it matters either way.

Makes perfect sense mate

 

[Redvanman]

So if you changed every accessory in a house all 10 circuits you would go as far as 10 or is 5 your limit

Obviously not as you would testing the whole house so you might as well use the EIC cert.
but I think your trying to prove that your method is right.
so how's this then if you changed 4 sockets on 4 separate circuits would you use EIC or MW if there was a CU with 40 ways on it and you couldn't get access to all the original sockets to fully test the circuit but what if you changed 1 socket on 1 circuit on a 4 way CU with full access what then.
tell me why you think there is a difference between the two I would MW every time

 

[sgrech]

Well returning to the OP, I have been in contact with the builder today and he has said that the electrical work will be part p certificated on completion - presumably by this guys mate who is a spark.

However I have to admit that I am still a little unclear as to whether I need a MWEIC or EIC?
For all I know this guys mate might be 'dodgy' As I stated previously I need to ensure that safety is paramount and everything is done properly.

Are there any particular questions I should be asking the builder / his spark?

Thanks
Simon

 

[Octopus]

Well returning to the OP, I have been in contact with the builder today and he has said that the electrical work will be part p certificated on completion - presumably by this guys mate who is a spark.

However I have to admit that I am still a little unclear as to whether I need a MWEIC or EIC?
For all I know this guys mate might be 'dodgy' As I stated previously I need to ensure that safety is paramount and everything is done properly.

Are there any particular questions I should be asking the builder / his spark?

Thanks
Simon

Part P is "self certification" so if the builder wheels in a sparky at the very end you've not seen before then the alarm bells should ring.

New circuits = EIC

Modification to circuits = Minor Works Certificate

Get the scheme name and number of the sparky and don't pay for the electrics till you have the certificate(s)

 

[sgrech]

Part P is "self certification" so if the builder wheels in a sparky at the very end you've not seen before then the alarm bells should ring.

New circuits = EIC

Modification to circuits = Minor Works Certificate

Get the scheme name and number of the sparky and don't pay for the electrics till you have the certificate(s)

That's exactly what the builder is planning to do!

What is the purpose of having the scheme name and number if he has provided me with the certificate (assuming this happens).

Does anyone think that I should get a second opinion though evening if the guy provides the required cert as safety is of paramount importance.

Simon

 

[oldtimer]

I think if you work on say 3 of the 6 circuits in a property then if it has not been tested in the last 5 years the remaining circuits should get tested. ie you sign off your work but the kitchen ring may not have an earth scenario

 

[onions1066]

I would use eic and note the limitations. I would not fill more than 3 minor works at one time is just a waste of time and energy. I'm not saying test every circuit on the board only the ones I have worked on. And it would need to be an exceptional reason for me not to be able to access all points on a circuit I have worked regardless of what cert I am filling out.

 

[Octopus]

That's exactly what the builder is planning to do!

What is the purpose of having the scheme name and number if he has provided me with the certificate (assuming this happens).

Does anyone think that I should get a second opinion though evening if the guy provides the required cert as safety is of paramount importance.

Simon

Because anyone can buy certificates. You need the scheme and number to check him/her out.

Google competentperson

 

[Andy78]

That's exactly what the builder is planning to do!

What is the purpose of having the scheme name and number if he has provided me with the certificate (assuming this happens).
To make sure he is actually with a scheme at all. I know you have been promised part P notification, but once you have paid up..... ? And also you can contact his scheme and ask if they think the way things are being carried out on your job is suitable to them.

Does anyone think that I should get a second opinion though evening if the guy provides the required cert as safety is of paramount importance.

Simon

......

 

[sgrech]

Because anyone can buy certificates. You need the scheme and number to check him/her out.

Google competentperson

Ok gotcha. However just looked at the competent person register and there is no mention of scheme name and number, it just asks you to enter the business name?

Simon

 

[oldtimer]

Because anyone can buy certificates. You need the scheme and number to check him/her out.

Google competentperson

Murdoch hate to shoot you down here but up here you can submit certification "By Enquiry" and you must add a front and back copy of your SJIB grade card showing your qualifications and grade plus a copy of any tester calibration certificate.

I spoke to a guy in planning where there was an issue concerning an extension that was built where the kitchen fitters submitted certification with a scheme number on it fine but something did not add up and then it all kicked off when tester calibration certificates and grade cards were asked for turned out the figures were made up and they are still waiting for the cal certs and grade card.

This is where the scheme system breaks down because anybody can hide behind a number and the guy in planning said that at least "By Enquiry" is a full audit system but they are under pressure to push for scheme registration so for me as I dont do kitchens and rewires I advise customers to insist on cal certs and grade cards as well as certification and no surprises that there seems to be problems with some companies as one had to back out quoting for a kitchen as they could not comply with the customers conditions that had the kicker of no proof of quals or cals and you pay to sort out

 

[telectrix]

the problem is that any spark coming in to certify the work will not be able to ensure that hidden cables are correctly installed. by completing an installation cert. the guy is taking responsibility for the work of others. the best way forward is for him to use a 3 signature certificate, whereby the original installer signs for design and installation, and your registered scam member sparks signs for inspection & test.

 

[sgrech]

the problem is that any spark coming in to certify the work will not be able to ensure that hidden cables are correctly installed. by completing an installation cert. the guy is taking responsibility for the work of others. the best way forward is for him to use a 3 signature certificate, whereby the original installer signs for design and installation, and your registered scam member sparks signs for inspection & test.

Is that allowable then? If this is indeed the process that they are going to use, the question remains should I get a second opinion i.e. pay for a PIR to be done?