Electrical wages.

[rmc86uk]

Hi Everyone.

Over the last few years the rates of pay for Electricians has dropped or stayed the same as we all know. Over the last few days at his really started to grind me down with the state of the industry. Mainly due to the agencies ripping working men and women off. Doing some research and I cannot find a single article or campaign to get things back to how they should be. It looks like everyone has given up and doesn't give a ---- about their futures. Being a sub contractor myself and having no working rights I just think enough is enough but not sure where to start or how to get the ball rolling. There must be thousands of genuine Electricians and a lot on this forum who feel the same.

 

[Engineer54]

LABOUR - SPUNKING taxpayers money up against the wall in the name of fairness and equality! I remember sitting on the dole after trying several hundred phone numbers over a week,and getting no help with the mortage and getting £60 a week dole and told I have enough to live on.
There was Gorgon Brown on the TV doing a speech and telling us he was giving a billion pounds to India in foreign aid(a country money to spend on a space programme).
This was only a short time after he was on the TV telling us he was giving a billion pounds to China in foreign aid(again a country with a space programme).

That was nice of him giving all that money away as I was sitting in a house and worrying about the gas and electricity bills due in.
To really make the point it was my mothers birthday the next week and I had to go and get a loan of money from a friend to be able to afford a present.

But never mind the ruling elite on in Asia would be enjoying some nice champage when people in this country are really struggling.

And you actually think that it would have been any different under a conservative government??
You want to see what's being given away in aid now, you may just change your mind, ...big time!!! lol!!

UK has not given aid to china for literally Decades and certainly not in Gordon Brown's term, You really do need to get your facts straight, because the fact is, China gives and has been giving more aid to third world struggling countries for many years, than most Western countries, and in many cases are now reaping the benefits, especially in Africa!!

Unless you actually have anything to conserve, the conservative party won't ever be doing you any favours, as i'm sure many are finding out at the present time!! And no i'm not a Labour or Liberal supporter, i'm saying that ALL ruling parties are there to follow their own agendas, ...and they generally don't involve the interests of the man in the street!!!

 

[telectrix]

we should have a government with branson as PM and sugar as deputy. as for the 630 odd MPs, sack the lot. let 'em live on £50 odd quid a week. and them lords, get rid of them too. let 'em just scrounge off their tenant farmers like in the old days.

 

[flyingsausage]

Is now a good time to kick in about my neighbour, who doesn't work, has 5 kids, 3 dogs, a cat, a rabbit, live in mother in law and the roughest wife know to man. Same house etc but I work 12 hours days and it feels like I'm paying for us both. I've no dependants but "if" he worked he'd pay less in tax despite the state paying for him got years and all of his kids schooling and healthcare. Tin hat is on!!

In my neck of the woods your neighbour is known as a work shy scrounging scumbag,he and all is brood are free loading of the sweat of a working mans brow(the sweat on a forehead during a days graft).
This mans children will not know any different from how they were brough up and will be just as work shy as their parents.
So the children become the second generation of work shy and their children become the third and so on and on - but according to the liberal left(New Labour) I may be hurting the feelings of some work shy by saying this - I must be a bad man.

 

[telectrix]

on the other side of the coin, though, is the guy on benefits who desperately wants to work. the problem is that when you take away the dole, rent, council tax, and benefits for dependants, the poor sod will be worse off working. here, blame the system.

 

[sledgehammer]

The way I see it is if he went to work he'd still be aided as he'd get tax credits and other reliefs because of the amount of kids etc. so same job for him and I and I'd pay more tax, get no other perk credits etc and the state still fund his kids schooling and NHS costs. Why doesn't he get docked to pay back what the government have given him to keep him and his kids. If I broke my leg tomorrow, I'd get £12.5 a day ssp I think. Looked at work injury insurance, cost a fortune! I'd lose my house etc.

 

[RichardMoore]

I have an idea lets tax everybody a little more so that we all can have a few nice benefits and make life easier for everybody who has it hard. Let's call this socialism. Now that I've started let me get carried away. Ill tax all the hard working folk and give it the people who real want to work but cannt find any so that there secure. The people who work hard must be loaded and can afford to pay the extra for all those how cannt find work. The people who cannt find work will really like us and will vote for us in the next election.

 

[peterhardacher]

I agree the industry is **** ed low wages , agency's dictating are wages power mad. The economy is on its --- , semi skilled labour taking our jobs we do need to stand together and unite enough is enough

 

[i=p/u]

Minimum wage is too low for someone to stand on own two feet. So sign on and get rent payed (guaranteed ) and work on the side for fun money . That's what's happening..

and as as they say no work for 2 years and you have to do voluntary work. But the work isn't there for everybody and if they get a job there's no security .. And it's not enough to live and eat well and have a little social time.

The he wages need to go up end of .

 

[Octopus]

Minimum wage is too low for someone to stand on own two feet. So sign on and get rent payed (guaranteed ) and work on the side for fun money . That's what's happening..

and as as they say no work for 2 years and you have to do voluntary work. But the work isn't there for everybody and if they get a job there's no security .. And it's not enough to live and eat well and have a little social time.

The he wages need to go up end of .

Almost certainly. Snap home visits and varying the sign on day need to come into play.

Chancers are wrecking the economy for all tax payers.

 

[Des 56]

Almost certainly. Snap home visits and varying the sign on day need to come into play.

Chancers are wrecking the economy for all tax payers.

Whilst the people who make a career out of not working need a kick up the rear,the actual rear that is being kicked needs to be well targeted

Most people who do not work,other than those who cannot mentally or physically,would rather be working than continue the soul destroying existence that is the dole,because,headlines aside,life on the dole is not the rose garden the rich and powerul,who may never have known poverty and destitution,portray

The stomache churning nerve of politicians to denegrade the working class whilst rewarding the rich and incompetent who are in powerful positions,is taking the biscuit somewhat

The availability of work is the only factor that governs both unemployment rates and wage rates
The less work,the more competitive the workplace and therefore the less wages that the rouge employers are able to cast

Remember,most modern day politicians of all persuades have never experienced the workplace,the need for employment or the disapointment of applying for jobs along with hundreds of competitors

 

[spark 68]

Remember,most modern day politicians of all persuades have never experienced the workplace,the need for employment or the disapointment of applying for jobs along with hundreds of competitors

And these (as well as the lords) are the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, £300 a day in the lords just for signing in ( sign in and sod off), as well as a subsidised bar and canteen, oh! and the no smoking rules don't apply to them, a case of do as I say, not as I do

 

[Octopus]

At least 700,000 people have come to the UK from Europe and statistics say they are all working...

 

[netblindpaul]

I say make a new political party in the name of the only person to ever enter Parliament with honest intentions...
Anyone?...

They're all a bunch of Cu**s bar thee & me & I'm not so sure 'bout thee!

 

[spark 68]

I say make a new political party in the name of the only person to ever enter Parliament with honest intentions...
Anyone?...

They're all a bunch of Cu**s bar thee & me & I'm not so sure 'bout thee!

Guy Fawks

 

[netblindpaul]

So true though...

 

[longboat]

Is now a good time to kick in about my neighbour, who doesn't work, has 5 kids, 3 dogs, a cat, a rabbit, live in mother in law and the roughest wife know to man. Same house etc but I work 12 hours days and it feels like I'm paying for us both. I've no dependants but "if" he worked he'd pay less in tax despite the state paying for him got years and all of his kids schooling and healthcare. Tin hat is on!!

It winds you up alright.
I have a lot of contempt for these type of people but i also have a lot of pity. They obviously boast to their mate's (if they have any) about their new 200in LED tv and the dilema of what mobillity car to choose ( which they dont need or deserve) every three years.
Dont blame them, blame the system.
If they beleive their lives are enriched by doing nothing all day let them do it. To be honest i would hate not having anything constructive to do, something i can take pride in and i will make sure that my two boys have the same mindset.
Dont hate them for playing the system look down on them as fool's and pity the kid's who have such a role model.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Longboat

well put.

 

[MDJ]

I believe we are the only true trade and our Training period is the same length as a Doctors, however they earn 4 times as much as us, when you get to Company Director or Engineer status you realise just what's involved with the trade, sometimes the Guys on site on the tools also forget the Engineering involved, I think Sparks are pretty special and under payed.

 

[Adam W]

Dont blame them, blame the system.

Dont hate them for playing the system look down on them as fool's and pity the kid's who have such a role model.

That's really easy to say, but the idea is the system is there to help those that need it, not to be 'played' by those that don't.
If you blame "the system" and change it to stop people 'playing' it, the people who are going to suffer the most are those who really need it - the most vulnerable. Politicians don't like to be seen to be picking on the most vulnerable in society.
As it happens I agree that the system needs changing; I believe it should be a safety net rather than a lifestyle choice, but whoever has the bottle to do it isn't going to win any popularity contests.