No cpc, really.

[westward10]

Done a periodic on this a few weeks ago and back now doing remedial. This notice and the previous Report state there are no cpcs through the lighting.

None of the roses have a cpc connected but there is at the conduit boxes they are mounted on in fact I have checked every light and there is a cpc present throughout, early sixties tinned copper T&E and pvc/pvc singles.
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Here they are.

 

[BruvDunk]

Less and less surprises me these days...
I must be getting old and horrid..

 

[westward10]

They've only asked if i can go around and sleeve them all.

 

[Dan]

And remove the sign?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Drive by Eicr

 

[BruvDunk]

Drive by Eicr

At least they popped in to apply the sticker !

 

[Dan]

I've just realised the date. So that's done 7 years with nobody else giving a damn about it? And is this an annual thing? Or was this a problem somewhere as to why you ended up looking into a bit more and found that?

 

[westward10]

No it is a five yearly test. The sticker is not stating correct facts.

 

[telectrix]

I've just realised the date. So that's done 7 years with nobody else giving a damn about it? And is this an annual thing? Or was this a problem somewhere as to why you ended up looking into a bit more and found that?

it's not the date. (i thought that a first glance). those numbers are the 3 circuits referred to.

 

[westward10]

This one has had a new rose fitted ?

 

[Dan]

it's not the date. (i thought that a first glance). those numbers are the 3 circuits referred to.

Oh bloody hell yeah it says that on the sticker!

 

[telectrix]

This one has had a new rose fitted ? View attachment 53225

just a nice easy half a day's work to rectify. then a call to fit some fancy metal fittings...... kerrchingg.

 

[westward10]

The only pain redoing them is the conduit box needs an earth. Roses are all screwed to the boxes so pretty easy to do. Have done all the sockets.

 

[Dustydazzler]

At least they popped in to apply the sticker !

That's a 200£ sticker

 

[westward10]

Mended. . .

 

[telectrix]

Mended. . .View attachment 53226

just hate that over size earth sleeving.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Could put all the earths under one length of 4mm sleeve with a slight twist

 

[snowhead]

Drive by Eicr

Windows must have been steamed up, so they didn't spot the CPCs.

At least they popped in to apply the sticker !

Maybe they put it in the post with the bill and asked the customer to stick it on..

 

[westward10]

just hate that over size earth sleeving.

The bigger one is 1.5 single to the conduit box. All sleeves 2mm
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This one is a joint box.

 

[Rpa07]

I rewired the lighting on a 3 bed house in two days last week due to twin cable no Earth. Hard bit of graft but all the switch drops barr one I could pull through. I got through a lot of cable that day and sweated buckets.
Once bitten ......

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Mended. . .View attachment 53226

Nicely positioned PL's to hide the fact that you may not have had any brown sleeving on you

 

[westward10]

Nicely positioned PL's to hide the fact that you may not have had any brown sleeving on you

Red sleeve to be precise. I was going to but no, I did this one though.

 

[westward10]

Switch drop, no one does this now.

 

[Midwest]

I might be going out on a limb here, your good work aside, would you be suggesting to your client to consider rewiring, unless they were elderly with not too many years left on this mortal coil?

 

[davesparks]

I might be going out on a limb here, your good work aside, would you be suggesting to your client to consider rewiring, unless they were elderly with not too many years left on this mortal coil?

What makes you think a rewire may be advisable?

 

[Midwest]

What makes you think a rewire may be advisable?

It looks like 1960's cabling to me?

And I know where we are going with this, if it tests out ok etc etc. But last time I checked, cable manufactures give their cables a 20 year life span, so we are looking at 50 years plus. When is a good time.

Peeves me that some people will spend mortgages on new kitchens & bathrooms, but won't spend anything on the infrastructure of their properties.

 

[westward10]

I might be going out on a limb here, your good work aside, would you be suggesting to your client to consider rewiring, unless they were elderly with not too many years left on this mortal coil?

Actually the installation doesn't have a huge amount wrong with it. A new rcbo board was put in by other parties a few years ago to a good standard. Very little has changed since it was put in apart from a new kitchen power circuit. We did suggest it may benefit from a rewire should it become vacant but what is wrong is nearly all put right just a few outside lights to replace which have corroded away. All cpcs now sleeved and connected into the roses one broken batten to replace.

 

[fairlight]

TBH I feel you guys are being a tad harsh, if the cpc's were tucked out of sight behind the ceiling roses, with no connected cpc's at the rose termination, then it's not unreasonable to code it as no cpc's present at the point of termination. Of course the fact that they were present should have been observed, but it's hardly the crime of the century. The fact that there is a sticker clearly stating the circuit numbers suggests this was not a 'drive by' EICR as stated, the inspector had in fact noted a defect......you cant do that from a van parked outside.

 

[westward10]

TBH I feel you guys are being a tad harsh, if the cpc's were tucked out of sight behind the ceiling roses, with no connected cpc's at the rose termination, then it's not unreasonable to code it as no cpc's present at the point of termination. Of course the fact that they were present should have been observed, but it's hardly the crime of the century. The fact that there is a sticker clearly stating the circuit numbers suggests this was not a 'drive by' EICR, the inspector had in fact noted a defect......you cant do that from a van parked outside.

He noted a defect which was not existent. It was worthwhile redoing all the lighting points as some of the cpc connections were somewhat tenuous so apart from what I can't see it is sound enough. I would say again this was inexperience, they saw no cpc at the roses and thought no earth but I looped to the fixing screws which were clearly 2BA and not wood screws. Tap through the back of the roses indicated metal boxes.

 

[Midwest]

Actually the installation doesn't have a huge amount wrong with it. A new rcbo board was put in by other parties a few years ago to a good standard. Very little has changed since it was put in apart from a new kitchen power circuit. We did suggest it may benefit from a rewire should it become vacant but what is wrong is nearly all put right just a few outside lights to replace which have corroded away. All cpcs now sleeved and connected into the roses one broken batten to replace.

That makes sense. I do get errked when some feel frightened of suggesting the 'R' word on a very old installation, just 'cos it tests out ok. I had to replace a damaged socket on a similar aged property, that had the horrible 'green goo'. It tested out fine, but I advised considering a rewire. Not that I would consider the job meself.