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phil cook

Hi All

I recently Qualified as a domestic Electrical Installer, I achieved my 2382, 2377 and awaiting my EAL certificate, I decided to try it "on my own" after several tried and failed job interviews and applications. I have had a few small jobs, Moving sockets, changing light fittings etc.

I have just been contacted and asked to Quote 2 jobs, the first is to supply and fit a new consumer unit, outside feed to bottom of garden and a new cooker point in kitchen, The second is a full re-wire, I am struggling with how you would start to price these, Obviously I have not been tolook at either job yet but wondered if there is a pricing guidline?? i,e, So much per socket/light switch, so much per metre of cable inc clips etc. Do you put a certain amount in for petrol costs etc etc, Obviously I dont want to over-qoute and lose the job but also dont want to come in too cheap as that will be expected for every future job.

I have not registered with a governing body purely due to the cost and not having the work for them to come and check.

Any info will be greatly recieved

Thank you
 
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or use the rewire as assessment then notify through the scam provider after.
 
phil cook said:
Hi All

I recently Qualified as a domestic Electrical Installer and decided to try it "on my own" after several tried and failed job interviews and applications. I have had a few small jobs, Moving sockets, changing light fittings etc.

I have just been contacted and asked to Quote 2 jobs, the first is to supply and fit a new consumer unit, outside feed to bottom of garden and a new cooker point in kitchen, The second is a full re-wire, I am struggling with how you would start to price these, Obviously I have not been tolook at either job yet but wondered if there is a pricing guidline?? i,e, So much per socket/light switch, so much per metre of cable inc clips etc. Do you put a certain amount in for petrol costs etc etc, Obviously I dont want to over-qoute and lose the job but also dont want to come in too cheap as that will be expected for every future job.

I have not registered with a governing body purely due to the cost and not having the work for them to come and check.

Any info will be greatly recieved

Thank you
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If you do not know the answers to these questions then are you sure you should be "Going Alone"? Everyone has different methods of pricing jobs, and it basically comes down to experience and knowledge in the field.
 
How much real life experience do you have?

A rewire is by no means a simple thing, there are many many problems you are likely to encounter which you'll have learnt nothing about on the course...
 
I use to go on £40 a point, so 10 sockets, 10 lights, £800 - includes materials, time, travel and the like, its an all inclusive price. Some here will find that expensive, depends on what part of the world your in. Cambridgeshire i would say your safe to price between £35-40 per point. Always worked out fair for me and never had any negative feedback.

I would say however, if your new and still getting your feet under the table, taking on a re-wire solo is a SERIOUS mistake. You won't hit target time deadlines, you inevitably hit issues you wouldn't perceive upon initial surveys, it's a lot of work to accomplish on your own let alone being new to the game, some jobs just need a second pair of hands, simple as that. I would suggest you re-consider diving head first into a full re-wire, and if you get the job, have your paper work perfect, - DO NOT lift a tool in anger until you have a contract of works written out and signed by the customer outlining every tiny detail about the job, i made this mistake, ended up in court and month and months of ball ache trying to get my money out of the scrotum who decided not to pay.

As already said, change your own board, get to grips with that side of things, and search for an experienced helping hand to help out with the re-wire if you get it. You'll need it mate.

best of luck
 
Other thing to insist on in writing, is a nice empty house...

Did a lighting circuit a while back and it took 3 times longer than it should, due to the amount of clutter in the house.

Was for a friend so it wasn't a problem, if it had been a normal client I'd have walked away.
 
I have enquired with local building control and they're cheaper than first thought, I like to think I have good real life experience, I thank you all for your comments, it seems i have some thinking to do, lol
 
phil cook said:
Hi All

I recently Qualified as a domestic Electrical Installer, I achieved my 2382, 2377 and awaiting my EAL certificate, I decided to try it "on my own" after several tried and failed job interviews and applications. I have had a few small jobs, Moving sockets, changing light fittings etc.

I have just been contacted and asked to Quote 2 jobs, the first is to supply and fit a new consumer unit, outside feed to bottom of garden and a new cooker point in kitchen, The second is a full re-wire, I am struggling with how you would start to price these, Obviously I have not been tolook at either job yet but wondered if there is a pricing guidline?? i,e, So much per socket/light switch, so much per metre of cable inc clips etc. Do you put a certain amount in for petrol costs etc etc, Obviously I dont want to over-qoute and lose the job but also dont want to come in too cheap as that will be expected for every future job.

I have not registered with a governing body purely due to the cost and not having the work for them to come and check.

Any info will be greatly recieved

Thank you
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After debating, and deleting what ive wrote several times out fear that i may just get banned. I'll make it short...you can use the term Qualified very loosley, 5weeks is a joke - you need onsite experience as a mate and not to be going it alone straight away, with all due respect you know F all and you'll come unstuck very soon on a re-wire. Get a electricians mate job and learn the trade - it takes years and not weeks.

Saying that - you'll take 0 notice of what i've just said, so good luck.

Apologies if you've been working as an electricians mate for the past Xamount of years -so this will mean you do have some understanding - if this is the case, you should of included it in your post.
 
You do not mention anything in your post about practical experience that you have in this industry?

Forgive me if I'm totally wrong but 2382 taught you how to work your way around a book and 2377 taught you PAT.
 
If I were you and you wanted to go for the rewire I'd suggest you get an experienced sparky to work with you or else you could end up in a right mess. Its not that easy!
 
Price the material quantity,estimate the amount of man days that it will take,add on a percentage to cover the costs of self employment,insurance tax,fuel and vehicle, tools etc and there is your figure

How many rewires have you assisted with to date ?
it would possibly be necessary to have done at least, say, a hundred, before reaching up to the level of a solo job.thats especially so if the house is occupied and the system has to be constructed and running as the old is being replaced
 
Murdoch said:
If I were you and you wanted to go for the rewire I'd suggest you get an experienced sparky to work with you or else you could end up in a right mess. Its not that easy!
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Oh come on Murdoch, it's only a few wires. What can possibly go wrong? Now excuse me I have to go earn my £50K
 
wade88 said:
I use to go on £40 a point, so 10 sockets, 10 lights, £800 - includes materials, time, travel and the like, its an all inclusive price. Some here will find that expensive, depends on what part of the world your in. Cambridgeshire i would say your safe to price between £35-40 per point. Always worked out fair for me and never had any negative feedback.

I would say however, if your new and still getting your feet under the table, taking on a re-wire solo is a SERIOUS mistake. You won't hit target time deadlines, you inevitably hit issues you wouldn't perceive upon initial surveys, it's a lot of work to accomplish on your own let alone being new to the game, some jobs just need a second pair of hands, simple as that. I would suggest you re-consider diving head first into a full re-wire, and if you get the job, have your paper work perfect, - DO NOT lift a tool in anger until you have a contract of works written out and signed by the customer outlining every tiny detail about the job, i made this mistake, ended up in court and month and months of ball ache trying to get my money out of the scrotum who decided not to pay.

As already said, change your own board, get to grips with that side of things, and search for an experienced helping hand to help out with the re-wire if you get it. You'll need it mate.

best of luck[/QUOTE

This sounds like a bad way to quote for a full rewire. £40 per point so lets say 10 sockets down and 10 sockets up £800. 6 lights + switches down and the same upstairs gets you another £960, in total £1760, last full rewire i did the materials alone cost me just over £800 that would leave me £960 for me and my apprentice for about 5 days wages,he gets £50 per day which would leave me with £710 for the week.....take off fuel anything up to £75 for the week, so im already down to near on £600 for a week, nat insurance and tax taken off im down to £450. I would price as you do for just adding extra sockets or lights to an existing installation but on a full rewire its not the same. take into account the materials you would use on a full rewire against just adding a couple of sockets for someone. clips,capping 10mm bonding for gas and water,new tails and main earth,consumer unit,3 core and earth for 2 way lighting or singles if preffered.it all adds up and makes the price a lot different.
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Bert, what you don't put in to your calcs there is a cooker sw @ 2 points. a shower @2 points. smokes @2 points Then whatever you charge for the CU etc so it's not as cut and dried as you put it mate
 
trev said:
Bert, what you don't put in to your calcs there is a cooker sw @ 2 points. a shower @2 points. smokes @2 points Then whatever you charge for the CU etc so it's not as cut and dried as you put it mate
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not every house has an electric shower mate and ive had customers have full rewires and not want smokes put in either and also no cooker point as they are all gas for cooking. its not mandatory to put cooker points or smokes in on a full rewire so take this into consideration and you are already down by £240,also if you read wade88,s post he states £40 per outlet all inclusive,no mention of a consumer unit so if he came to price me up for a full rewire and said £40 per outlet all in then I would assume the CU is included in his price.
 
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Yeah I know and to a point (no pun intended) I agree. I always price a rewire on materials + time but each to their own. What works for me might not work for everyone
 
trev said:
Yeah I know and to a point (no pun intended) I agree. I always price a rewire on materials + time but each to their own. What works for me might not work for everyone
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totally agree trev that's why it struck me as a bad way to price for a full rewire,its something that needs to be planned and agreed or you can end up seriously out of pocket,and we sparks are having it quite rough as it is.
 
or price per bedroom at £1k each. you won't be far out. assuming no fancy stuff.
 
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