Pricing help on kitchen refit

[kev.k]

Hi all!

I have posted on here before for advice on pricing and received some really great advice so wanted to see if I am still in the ball park of fair pricing. I still work for a company but on shifts so have been doing more and more work on my days off. Still unsure whether to just work out a day rate for myself or whether it depends on the job itself how to price. I'm based in the North West.

I have been asked to quote for a new kitchen, the house recently had an EICR and the kitchen ring was fine so they don't want a new circuit just the existing altering.

6 new points for appliances
2 cooker circuits approx 10 metres from CU (hob and double oven) as no cooker circuits currently in
10 spotlights on 2 seperate switches running from existing feeds but new switch wires in new location
Pendant light on seperate switch
Light in conservatory on adjoining wall (no light currently in)
All chrome accessories (10 sockets in total, 2 switches, 10 spots)

If i've missed anything let me know.

Thanks

 

[pc1966]

The only extra which I found out today is the water stop tap has been moved by the plumber, who removed the bonding and has left cut off (the homeowners are still living in the property). Have told the builder I will need to run a new 10mm bonding from the CU to which he said just crimp the existing one to make it reach ?

Not a good approach to change it without doing the cable there & then, unless of course the external pipe is now plastic.

A proper crimp is OK, can be tidied with some heat-shrink sleeving if needed, but I shudder to think that your typical plumber would do.

 

[kev.k]

Not a good approach to change it without doing the cable there & then, unless of course the external pipe is now plastic.

A proper crimp is OK, can be tidied with some heat-shrink sleeving if needed, but I shudder to think that your typical plumber would do.

Is is not against regs though? The same as if gas and water was on the same bond you have to just take off the insulation at the first point and not break the cable in case it comes loose?

 

[Taylortwocities]

With kitchens: only give a fixed price when you have a complete and confirmed kitchen plan with full details of all appliances.
If anything changes from that point (and it will) it is EXTRA!!

 

[loz2754]

Is is not against regs though? The same as if gas and water was on the same bond you have to just take off the insulation at the first point and not break the cable in case it comes loose?

No.
And it's a myth that a single cable used to bond both gas and water services needs to be continuous and not broken.

 

[pc1966]

Is is not against regs though? The same as if gas and water was on the same bond you have to just take off the insulation at the first point and not break the cable in case it comes loose?

There is nothing in the regs that say you must have a continuous length. But the example on GN3 (I think) shows what you suggest as good practice to avoid one fault causing multiple trouble.

I would say (don't think it is explicit in the regs though?) that any joint must be reliable / maintenance-free. You would get that from a solder joint, a proper crimp, or using an approved type of joint & enclosure.

 

[pc1966]

Just looked, it is GN8 on page 64 (Figure 5.5 an unbroken protective bonding conductor).

But I would argue that a permanent joint is "unbroken".

 

[DefyG]

And if labelled correctly per 514.13.1 it should never become a problem ........ just a shame some take no notice of it!

 

[freddo]

Here's one way of looping a 25mm2 bonding conductor from gas pipe to water pipe - the wrong way.

 

[Taylortwocities]

25mm? Really?

 

[suffolkspark]

Current board is a dual RCD Wylex so no need to change anything there just add a couple of breakers for the cooker circuits.

Bear in mind that the total of the MCBs hanging off each RCD should no longer exceed it's rating (unless main fuse is <or= to them) also you'll need to notify your 2 new cooker circuits and fill EIC.

 

[Zerax]

A proper crimp is OK, can be tidied with some heat-shrink sleeving if needed, but I shudder to think that your typical plumber would do.

Agreed... I bought some second hand hydraulic crimpers many years ago... they make gorgeous crimped connections... if you use quality tubular fittings of course.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I usually price a kitchen at about £600...2500 is very very high..most sparks would not get work at those rates

First things first. Price up all the materials that you will be supplying and add 10% to this figure.
Then try to work out roughly how long in hours that it will take you including testing, paperwork etc.
Are you making good around new boxes and chases? if yes add this to your hourly price.
Add materials to the labour and then stick an extra half day on top for mistakes and alterations to the plan.
Now you have a price to put forward to the homeowner.

I would be somewhere in the £2000-2500 ball park in Surrey South East.

£600

I have said this on here before (several times) and i will say it again

4 - 5 years to train as an electrician, maybe more these day
cps scam fee + insurance fee + very expensive test year + expensive insulated tools + work van + work clothes + admin

Vetted , qualified , scam registered electricians SHOULD be charging a bare minimum of £80 per hour

You got wet pants in my area charging £140-150 for changing blooming sink taps which takes zero qualifications and about 30 quids worth of basic tools and takes about 45 mins max

Our trade is charging no where near what it should be , we should be the most expensive trade by a mile yet I know plasterers and painters clearing £800 per day on price work

Doesn't work like that Dusty....there are too many electrical bods chasing too little work. By way of an example last week I was approached by the owner of a local boat storage yard....he wanted a price to replace 6 IP rated twin point sockets boxes with RCD protection...and run a new cable approx 50m to a new position ...costs as follows
Materials.......1800.00
3days labour at 150.00 pedal
Diesel.....................30.00
Total ...2280.00

Just had a reply from him "no thanks far too expensive....I was expecting something in region of 1000.00"...Needless to say I won't be hearing from him again ...so 3 hours of estimating time wasted

 

[LukeD]

I usually price a kitchen at about £600...2500 is very very high..most sparks would not get work at those rates

£600

Doesn't work like that Dusty....there are too many electrical bods chasing too little work. By way of an example last week I was approached by the owner of a local boat storage yard....he wanted a price to replace 6 IP rated twin point sockets boxes with RCD protection...and run a new cable approx 50m to a new position ...costs as follows
Materials.......1800.00
3days labour at 150.00 pedal
Diesel.....................30.00
Total ...2280.00

Just had a reply from him "no thanks far too expensive....I was expecting something in region of 1000.00"...Needless to say I won't be hearing from him again ...so 3 hours of estimating time wasted

Never ever work for poor people ! .