Safety and part p questions

[Nickzx6]

For minor repairs then a MNWC, but how can you repair faults if you haven't tested the installation? do the EICR hand it to the client with your recommendations for any repairs.
Your job is done up to the client to either do nothing, or employ you or another electrician to do the repairs, in my opinion it would be rather silly if the client were to employ someone else, as you have first hand knowledge of any repairs/alterations that are needed.

Thanks Pete,

That was pretty much how I handled it, only without completing the full eicr at the point I got to. I fedback my initial findings and advised i'd need to do further tests and then make recommendations for improvements to the circuit before moving forward. Obviously all they wanted was for their rcbo to strop tripping. Not a lot of care for anything else i was pointing out.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You only do what you are asked to do.
If you see a problem, you’re obliged to inform your customer.
Fix it if you want, but without an instruction to do so, there’s no guarantee you’ll be paid.

 

[Nickzx6]

I agree wholeheartedly with the need for the tests etc... and am a big advocate of not attaching myself to things that could come back and bit my rear end (or name me in court proceedings), part of the reason for me leaving my previous employment (my refusal to turn a blind eye to very dangerous things).

But surely there must be many occasions where we are finding clients turning us away if we are making a list of repairs needed when they have a specific fault they want fixing?

 

[westward10]

If you repair a specific fault then you can use a Minor Works as this is a record of what you have done. There is a section on the Certificate for commenting on the existing installation as to whether it is safe for continued use.

 

[Nickzx6]

You only do what you are asked to do.
If you see a problem, you’re obliged to inform your customer.
Fix it if you want, but without an instruction to do so, there’s no guarantee you’ll be paid.

But what if they don't want the other issue, that you have informed them about, only the one they've asked you to do, but the other issue you find is dangerous? do you press on and fix what they asked you to, leaving the circuit with a dangerous fault, or do you decline to continue? Is our obligation only to inform or do we have an obligation to leave a circuit safe?

A genuine question there, not an attempt at arguing with you. I'm struggling to find where to position myself with this. My background is predominantly industry and my stance was always that everything needed to be by the book, RAMS in place etc... but i found that this was quite an unpopular approach

thanks
nick

 

[Nickzx6]

If you repair a specific fault then you can use a Minor Works as this is a record of what you have done. There is a section on the Certificate for commenting on the existing installation as to whether it is safe for continued use.

Would this still be the case if something like the main earth bonding was missing? (Again, genuine question there, not a veiled attempt at an argument)

Appreciate your advice
Nick

 

[westward10]

See Regulations 132.16 and 644.1.2

 

[Pete999]

Thanks Pete,

That was pretty much how I handled it, only without completing the full eicr at the point I got to. I fedback my initial findings and advised i'd need to do further tests and then make recommendations for improvements to the circuit before moving forward. Obviously all they wanted was for their rcbo to strop tripping. Not a lot of care for anything else i was pointing out.

Agree with Spins post following this one, unfortunately what you describe is the way of the World, "don't want to know about all that carp" just fix what I asked for, head buried in the sand springs to mind, but as Spin says it's your duty of care to explain in writing of any problems you find, copy to client copy for you, CYA I think it's called.

 

[rolyberkin]

In the real world if you told every customer to have a full EICR every time you go to look at a fault you will not be getting much work! I tend to concentrate on the fault as reported, if I see anything along the way I bring it to their attention there and then, note it on the MWC and or issue a danger notice if required.