Sparks vs Plumbers... What's the score?

Deuce · Sep 19, 2018

telectrix said:
maybe so, but how many plumbers pressure test all their pipework for potential leaks before introducing water? we have to. it's called IR testing. wet-pants gets it wrong, someone gets wet. we get it wrong, someone may die.

Most do, I certainly do. Leaks cause dangerous and/or expensive problems too. Perhaps not as deadly as electricity for the most part, but I would say the potential of a well installed plumbing system to cause problem far exceeds that of a well installed electrical system. A plumber can do everything right and still get a suprise and unfortunate result.

telectrix · Sep 19, 2018

A plumber can do everything right and still get a suprise and unfortunate result.

so can an electricinn when plumber fits a radiator in front of his already fixed socket back box, or runs pipes in front of a CU. or when wood butcher/boarder nails /screws through a cable, knowing full well that said cable is in a prescribed zone. not many cases of electricians screwing stuff to water pipes.

Deuce · Sep 19, 2018

telectrix said:
A plumber can do everything right and still get a suprise and unfortunate result.

so can an electricinn when plumber fits a radiator in front of his already fixed socket back box, or runs pipes in front of a CU. or when wood butcher/boarder nails /screws through a cable, knowing full well that said cable is in a prescribed zone. not many cases of electricians screwing stuff to water pipes.

Hard to argue with that. I would say there are less than considerate people in all trades but I have to admit I have never known a spark rupture a pipe, but certainly been plunged into the dark several times by various other tradespeople acting blindly.

Octopus · Sep 19, 2018

essex said:
I really do not get it to be honest. Plumbers will never be at a knowledge level of electricians - never. Plumbing is a DIY job.

I've given you a "dislike" because the highlighted sentence above is so ignorant.

Nigel · Sep 19, 2018

Murdoch said:
I've given you a "dislike" because the highlighted sentence above is so ignorant.

You actually gave me a dumb.

ipf · Sep 19, 2018

essex said:
You actually gave me a dumb.

That's a bit pointless…….take a runaway train slam to shut you up, Neil......

Nigel · Sep 19, 2018

ipf said:
That's a bit pointless…….take a runaway train slam to shut you up, Neil......

Or a sandwich.

ipf · Sep 19, 2018

essex said:
Or a sandwich.

It'd have to be an old British Rail one......

Deuce · Sep 19, 2018

I knew when I started this thread it would be troll bait

But anyhow, seems that actually most people replying are fairly respectful of the other trades, and that it's mostly down to good humour - which of course, we all need.

As a side note, I spent the afternoon changing the downstairs bog for a nice new wall mounted throne. I can report that the pants remained dry throughout.

Rosco · Sep 19, 2018

Deuce said:
I knew when I started this thread it would be troll bait

But anyhow, seems that actually most people replying are fairly respectful of the other trades, and that it's mostly down to good humour - which of course, we all need.

As a side note, I spent the afternoon changing the downstairs bog for a nice new wall mounted throne. I can report that the pants remained dry throughout.

Don’t worry mate they will have you back because of a leak they find in a different part of the house absolutely nowhere near where you have worked but will blame you anyway, no matter what sparks and plumbers think of each other customers will try the same tricks to both of us

Deuce · Sep 19, 2018

Rosco said:
Don’t worry mate they will have you back because of a leak they find in a different part of the house absolutely nowhere near where you have worked but will blame you anyway, no matter what sparks and plumbers think of each other customers will try the same tricks to both of us

It was in my own house! But you're still correct - if at some point something else I never went near leaks, my wife will blame it on me, of that I'm certain

All trades can unite when discussing how inconvenient customers are. And wives.

Des 56 · Sep 20, 2018

When you make attempt at trying (usually unsuccessfully)at getting a understanding of complex subjects that take real brain power We as electricians and them as plumbers occupy very low stnding in the measure of such things

Consequently we are just as dumb as the plumbers and neither of us are prepared to admit it is so

Deuce · Sep 20, 2018

Des 56 said:
When you make attempt at trying (usually unsuccessfully)at getting a understanding of complex subjects that take real brain power We as electricians and them as plumbers occupy very low stnding in the measure of such things

Consequently we are just as dumb as the plumbers and neither of us are prepared to admit it is so

I don't know... I think that anything that requires visualisation of the end solution and how to achieve it, working around specific limitations and challenges demonstrates a fairly healthy noggin

On site I can have a fairly detailed conversation about some automation kit I'm putting together with either PB or spark and generally either would be able to appreciate the purpose of the system and how/why it needs to work the way it does. They won't necessarily have much knowledge depth, but understand the principals.

A colleague once said "It's 99% knowledge, then the other 1% is the ability to apply it. Only about 1% of people seem to have that ability though". I think his point was that knowledge is vital to do the work, but all the knowledge in the world won't help an impractical person assemble it into a good result!

ipf · Sep 20, 2018

Deuce said:
A colleague once said "It's 99% knowledge, then the other 1% is the ability to apply it. Only about 1% of people seem to have that ability though". I think his point was that knowledge is vital to do the work, but all the knowledge in the world won't help an impractical person assemble it into a good result!

….and all the practicability in the world won't help if you've no idea how to apply it by the rules.

7029 dave · Sep 20, 2018

Both trades demand the respect equally.

Flanders · Sep 20, 2018

Not sure if this post will help the debate ☺Wetpants Trashed My Van - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/wetpants-trashed-my-van.168453/

telectrix · Sep 20, 2018

Flanders said:
Not sure if this post will help the debate ☺Wetpants Trashed My Van - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/wetpants-trashed-my-van.168453/

most wet-pants can't see what in front of their noses, let alone what,s behind them. then again, both are usually turds.

Deuce · Sep 20, 2018

ipf said:
….and all the practicability in the world won't help if you've no idea how to apply it by the rules.

That's a big part of the other 99% being knowledge that I was referring to.

Deuce · Sep 20, 2018

telectrix said:
most wet-pants can't see what in front of their noses, let alone what,s behind them. then again, both are usually turds.

You're saying the van behind him was a turd?

ipf · Sep 21, 2018

telectrix said:
most wet-pants can't see what in front of their noses, let alone what,s behind them. then again, both are usually turds.

A mate of mine bought a house and asked me to check things over. It ended up with replacement CU , among other things. A couple of months later, this is work done by a 'heating engineer', who installed a new boiler to a property. He broke into the downstairs RFC with a 20 amp 4 p joint box, under the floor.