A Rather Obvious Forged EICR

[JK-Electrical]

I know for a fact that the attached EICR is a forgery. I suspected as much even before I had been given a copy of the report.

My suspicions were confirmed the moment I noticed that the tester had entered 25 years as the estimated age of the installation. The installation is in fact, brand-new! The wiring was completed in July. The installation is within a newly-constructed, custom-built MOT testing station.

There is a story to be told about the events that took place prior to the EICR being issued which I will reveal in a later post. In the meantime, see how many irregularities you can find within this EICR.

I have redacted the report to spare any embarrassment for the company whose identity was stolen.

 

[westward10]

Not knocking house bashers but this looks like one totally out of their depth.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I would question if this was an electrician at all...

 

[westward10]

It's a house basher all day long.

 

[westward10]

40 amp breaker fitted to a ring final circuit!

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Why is there a smoke detector circuit on that type of installation unless it is a fire alarm,

 

[westward10]

Rough

No other words for it

I would want to take everything out and re-do the lot

I agree that is beyond remedial works.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I would say the block with the blue conductors at it looks like it shows signs of melting.

You are correct. I'm informed that prior to a 16mm SWA being installed to supply a sub-board for the office area, one of those twin and earths was acting as the supply cable! Apparently whoever installed the sub-board connected all the final circuits, but for reasons best known to himself, decided to spur the supply for the board from a ring final circuit elsewhere in the building. I don't know what he was thinking.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Why is there a smoke detector circuit on that type of installation unless it is a fire alarm,

There's a fire alarm panel, smoke alarms, call points and sounders present. I noticed that the panel is indicating a fault condition.

However, no certificate other than a MEIWC has been issued. Whoever did the work submitted a MEIWC to cover the design, installation and commissioning! There is no certification for the emergency lighting either.

 

[westward10]

Sounds like someone well and truly out of their depth.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I would question if this was an electrician at all...

The person who did the work advertises himself as an electrician. However, I would advise him to quit the trade and seek alternative employment.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Sounds like someone well and truly out of their depth.

That was my conclusion too. There is insufficient capacity in the main board. All the ways have been used. One of the breakers has three conductors. Two supply the main area lighting and emergency lighting. The other supplies one of the shuttered doors of which there are five in total. Another of the doors has been spurred direct from the ring final circuit.

 

[westward10]

I think the problem is an electrician can cover different levels of competence and you can always spot an electrician whos level of skill is domestic in a commercial world. Not that I am comparing one with another but there is one of those Nagey videos of him fitting SWA cables to a cable tray installed incorrectly and it looks appalling. A case of stick to what you know.

 

[KennyKen]

The Fault lies obviously with the idiot who contributed to the mess and the Builder enlisting a non licensed Electrician. The client should have requested his credentials prior to the commencement of work.

On Major sites in Aus. You have to provide an Electrical license and sometimes (A new thing appearing to stop things like this) a CV/Resume to check on your background to ensure you are capable.

I’m not knocking house bashers but Especially in Heavy Industrial and Mining they used to take them on as T/A’s (Mates)

---- work... terrible I’ve seen better in 3rd world countries.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Knowing your limitations as a sparks is equally as important as knowing what you can do...
Just the other day I was asked to quote for a job that requires a lot of reworking and installing new micc in a 1940s built chapel. I have declined as it’s beyond my level.
If it was one or two micc that need altering I ‘might’ have given it a go. But this job will require 40-50 alterations and additions all in micc.
Know your role

 

[Dustydazzler]

Oh and I should add I was the second sparks to decline the job. The first guy also said he wasn’t confident working on that amount of micc cables.

 

[KennyKen]

It’s been a long time since I worked on Pyro (MICC) the old sparks I worked with (Jurassic sparks) he bought me a set of MICC tools... Potting tool. Crimper and Stripper then took them away from me. I had to strip it with side cutters and a screwdriver. Use a set of pliers as a potting tool. His motto was do it the hard way and everything becomes easier. The same was with steel conduit. We used a block of wood with a slanted hole.

 

[static zap]

These connections are for three shuttered doors!

Shop fitting electricians do a "Special" temporary ,
version of the "job" for--a haggled down price !

 

[davesparks]

Knowing your limitations as a sparks is equally as important as knowing what you can do...
Just the other day I was asked to quote for a job that requires a lot of reworking and installing new micc in a 1940s built chapel. I have declined as it’s beyond my level.
If it was one or two micc that need altering I ‘might’ have given it a go. But this job will require 40-50 alterations and additions all in micc.
Know your role

Whereabouts is the job and how so9n does it need doing? Sounds like it's up our street but our waiting list is pretty long at the moment.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Whereabouts is the job and how so9n does it need doing? Sounds like it's up our street but our waiting list is pretty long at the moment.

I think it’s just outside Frimley. I did think about asking on here if anyone fancied.
If they contact me again I will pass the details onto here.

 

[davesparks]

I think it’s just outside Frimley. I did think about asking on here if anyone fancied.
If they contact me again I will pass the details onto here.

No worries, that's not too far from me at all.
The majority of my work is West end theatres, so a lot of very old installations with plenty of pyro.

 

[richy3333]

Rough

No other words for it

I would want to take everything out and re-do the lot

You need to insert ‘as a badgers arse’ after ‘rough’

 

[UNG]

This is a brand-new board. Words fail me.

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Can't see any slot between the glands on the tails

Knowing your limitations as a sparks is equally as important as knowing what you can do...
Just the other day I was asked to quote for a job that requires a lot of reworking and installing new micc in a 1940s built chapel. I have declined as it’s beyond my level.
If it was one or two micc that need altering I ‘might’ have given it a go. But this job will require 40-50 alterations and additions all in micc.
Know your role

Never seem to get offered that sort of job up here, would be nice to do an MICC job as I have not done one in a good while

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I think the problem is an electrician can cover different levels of competence and you can always spot an electrician whos level of skill is domestic in a commercial world. Not that I am comparing one with another but there is one of those Nagey videos of him fitting SWA cables to a cable tray installed incorrectly and it looks appalling. A case of stick to what you know.

Completely agree Westward. I am purely domestic. My work is neat and safe and I believe my knowledge of domestic electrics is fairly high (although when lucien and DS start talking I question that). However, I got asked to simply put some cables (in a domestic house) in metal trunking. One 3m length of metal trunking, that's all....

Metal trunking!!!! What the hell is that! We use plastic in domestic!

It's got sharp edges, It becomes an exposed conductive part, It doesn't have nice sticky tape on it, It's heavy, It doesn't cut to size in 4 seconds.

I think it should be illegal for domestic customers to even mention it let alone ask for it!

 

[Strima]

And I thought the installation I witnessed today was rough...

 

[GBDamo]

Phew! It’s not one of mine

Not knocking house bashers but this looks like one totally out of their depth.

Agree.

Worked alongside some industrial guys a few weeks ago and the finish they achieve with seemingly little effort was a joy to behold. They were running a new 5core 25mm SWA supply and TP board.

All tray and galv trunking, very nice work.

Little things I noticed was crimping tray ends, drilling the trunking so that the board sat flush and not raised on its assembly screws.
They had a bracket or hanger for every occasion.

It was a like 'yup, you've done this before'.

 

[Andy78]

Agree.

Worked alongside some industrial guys a few weeks ago and the finish they achieve with seemingly little effort was a joy to behold. They were running a new 5core 25mm SWA supply and TP board.

All tray and galv trunking, very nice work.

Little things I noticed was crimping tray ends, drilling the trunking so that the board sat flush and not raised on its assembly screws.
They had a bracket or hanger for every occasion.

It was a like 'yup, you've done this before'.

I miss work like that. Been doing domestic for too long now for it to be interesting every day.

 

[telectrix]

I miss work like that. Been doing domestic for too long now for it to be interesting every day.

same here. would love to be back with the galv. tray, trunking, conduit, and being able to fit things without being on my knees or stretching up to a ceiling.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Sod that I spent all my apprenticeship and a bit after doing industrial and commercial and now I'm just doing domestic and would not go back.

Prime example Is when I was on a job to install a sub station in a factory and do the runs and install to several panel boards and one ares i used over 300 cable ties, wrenched with a large driver to shape and form a 120mm armoured that was cold and had been all bent twisted etc for 2 weeks around a bend to look nice.

Obviously I cut away unnecessary ties and tidied up the ones that were left.