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'Appropriate' to many means a neon screwdriver and a socket and see thingy.
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Just read and understood 7671. I have a multimeter and a socket tester that checks polarity earth and some other stuff
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As things stand, the Scottish Government have no problem at all with you carrying-out domestic and commercial electrical work. Up here in Scotland, anyone can call themselves an electrician and set-up in business regardless of whether or not they possess the relevant skills, expertise and qualifications. So whether you're a handyman looking to extend the range of building services that you provide to your customers, or whether you're a tight-arsed kitchen-fitter/plumber/ heating engineer who doesn't want to pay a professional electrician the going-rate for their services, it doesn't matter as the Scottish Government have a wonderful diversity policy whereby people from all walks of life can call themselves electricians and carry-out domestic and commercial electrical if they so desire.
As is evidenced by the Scottish Government's Guidance On Electrical Work Not Requiring A Warrant, there isn't much domestic electrical work that requires a building warrant therefore making it even easier for unqualified, inexperienced and, more often than not, incompetent personnel to become make-believe electricians and e̶l̶e̶c̶t̶r̶o̶c̶u̶t̶e̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶h̶o̶u̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶ carry-out electrical work. Unlike down south, there's no pesky red-tape to worry about up here.
Where you will come unstuck though, is certification. Unless you possess the skills and competence, have accumulated relevant experience, and possess the testing equipment that is required to test and certify electrical installation work, you will not be able to sign-off on any jobs that you do and will need to find an electrician who will. That you will find next-to-impossible to achieve as no professional electrician I know would ever consider compromising their reputation and credibility by certifying electrical work that they knew to have been undertaken by unqualified personnel.
You have made a very wise decision in deciding not to proceed any further with your plan to carry-out electrical installation work and I'm sure you will live to not regret it. Alas, there are some seriously deluded and dangerous individuals on the loose in Scotland right now who believe themselves to be competent 'electricians'. Below are exhibits of their level of competence:
The sooner the Scottish Government stop ----ing around and implement SELECT's recommendation that electricians be given protected professional status, the better.
BS 7671 does indeed apply to all parts of the UK, but by allowing anyone to trade as an electrician the Scottish Government does nothing to ensure that compliance with regulation 134.1.1 is met.
In Scotland, not only can anyone who is not an electrician call themselves an electrician, but men and women, boys and girls can decide they are neither men nor women, boys and girls. I suppose I'm being somewhat optimistic in expecting sanity from a Government that is patently insane.
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Indeed. That's why I wrote "appropriate" rather than "what you believe to be appropriate"!
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a bag of MMs and bag of Doritos.
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Just read and understood 7671. I have a multimeter and a socket tester that checks polarity earth and some other stuff
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Oh dear
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I thought I was good enough years before I did my training that has now, with 3 years of experience, made me at the lower end of the competence ladder.
Looking at the DIY work I did in my own house, I was delusional thinking that it was to a standard required.
I say to you that you may think you can be ‘jack of all trades’ but you can’t be master of all so stick to the ones you are good at and call in the trades that you’re not so hot on, they will give you the work back, favour for favour.
Please listen to the members on here.
Looking at the DIY work I did in my own house, I was delusional thinking that it was to a standard required.
I say to you that you may think you can be ‘jack of all trades’ but you can’t be master of all so stick to the ones you are good at and call in the trades that you’re not so hot on, they will give you the work back, favour for favour.
Please listen to the members on here.
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It has to be a wind up 
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You're better than me then, the last course I did was all about BS7671 and that was an NVQ level 4 yet I still don't understand the book...
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You just read and understood BS7671 Crikey that's good going
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Sorry folks I didn't understand the question, I just understood the extract that was posted. No way do I understand the spec as I haven't done any training with it. Sorry to give folk the wrong impression of me. Having read all the advice on here, I'm going to stop doing electrical work that is more than like a cracked socket outlet or a light fitting change. Thanks for al the advice.
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^^ thanks for the feedback.
It may be useful to have a sparky mate who you can work with if you find things that are more involved.
It may be useful to have a sparky mate who you can work with if you find things that are more involved.
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Don't do it mate , you just read 7671 and understood it , it's not a 2 page operational manual .you have no qualifications or official training and you feel you can do it and clearly no testing experience as a multimeter won't do it. Just hang curtains and put up shelves before you kill some one , I get so angry with you f**k**s.
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But he just said he's going to stop doing it
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As things stand, the Scottish Government have no problem at all with you carrying-out domestic and commercial electrical work. Up here in Scotland, anyone can call themselves an electrician and set-up in business regardless of whether or not they possess the relevant skills, expertise and qualifications. So whether you're a handyman looking to extend the range of building services that you provide to your customers, or whether you're a tight-arsed kitchen-fitter/plumber/ heating engineer who doesn't want to pay a professional electrician the going-rate for their services, it doesn't matter as the Scottish Government have a wonderful diversity policy whereby people from all walks of life can call themselves electricians and carry-out domestic and commercial electrical if they so desire.
As is evidenced by the Scottish Government's Guidance On Electrical Work Not Requiring A Warrant, there isn't much domestic electrical work that requires a building warrant therefore making it even easier for unqualified, inexperienced and, more often than not, incompetent personnel to become make-believe electricians and e̶l̶e̶c̶t̶r̶o̶c̶u̶t̶e̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶h̶o̶u̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶ carry-out electrical work. Unlike down south, there's no pesky red-tape to worry about up here.
Where you will come unstuck though, is certification. Unless you possess the skills and competence, have accumulated relevant experience, and possess the testing equipment that is required to test and certify electrical installation work, you will not be able to sign-off on any jobs that you do and will need to find an electrician who will. That you will find next-to-impossible to achieve as no professional electrician I know would ever consider compromising their reputation and credibility by certifying electrical work that they knew to have been undertaken by unqualified personnel.
You have made a very wise decision in deciding not to proceed any further with your plan to carry-out electrical installation work and I'm sure you will live to not regret it. Alas, there are some seriously deluded and dangerous individuals on the loose in Scotland right now who believe themselves to be competent 'electricians'. Below are exhibits of their level of competence:
The sooner the Scottish Government stop ----ing around and implement SELECT's recommendation that electricians be given protected professional status, the better.
The problem has always been and always will be,death and injury due to electric shock is a low number
Its fortunate or unfortnate depending on how its perceived regards regulation
Its low enough for the collateral damage (ie death of a loved one)to not warrant too much interference with that regulation
Letting abominations of installation work be undertaken by diy Dan in the knowledge not too many lose their lives to continue to allow that policy
Its fortunate or unfortnate depending on how its perceived regards regulation
Its low enough for the collateral damage (ie death of a loved one)to not warrant too much interference with that regulation
Letting abominations of installation work be undertaken by diy Dan in the knowledge not too many lose their lives to continue to allow that policy
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Irrespective of what the the Scottish Government decides, isn't BS 7671 applicable across the UK as a whole ?
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BS 7671 does indeed apply to all parts of the UK, but by allowing anyone to trade as an electrician the Scottish Government does nothing to ensure that compliance with regulation 134.1.1 is met.
In Scotland, not only can anyone who is not an electrician call themselves an electrician, but men and women, boys and girls can decide they are neither men nor women, boys and girls. I suppose I'm being somewhat optimistic in expecting sanity from a Government that is patently insane.
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