I want a 16 amp socket in the garage with 3 double sockets

[DomSal]

I agree but would add that most Single phase planers are rated for P1 2.2KW P2 1.6-1.8KW.

A rating plate photo or manufacturers info would be ideal.

I can't find any more info on the motor. It is the Axminster AT260SPT. I downloaded the manual but it doesn't say.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

most Single phase planers are rated for P1 2.2KW P2 1.6-1.8KW.

Ah good, thanks for the info, not something I'm familiar with specifically.

 

[TheatreSparks]

The manufacturer's website specifies a 16A Supply on a Type C breaker is required. Manual states the load at 3KW, so with a inrush current it would both stress a 13a fuse and likely take out a type B MCB especially if there are other items plugged into the garage supply, so yes I would agree that a up-rating of the house MCB and a mini consumer unit looks as if it is in order.

 

[Rockingit]

That model uses an induction motor and has a large in-rush, hence the 16C. Ordinarily I'd suggest simply adding a 16A outlet onto the existing circuit however you'd still need to uprate the upstream OCPD to a C type regardless of any conversation about re-wiring and adding a small consumer unit. You'll only be able to know if you can upgrade the upstream from a B to a C if you can still achieve disconnection times for ADS which will ultimately depend on how long and well installed the existing house > garage cable is - for this you'll need to perform a Zs test.

 

[DomSal]

That model uses an induction motor and has a large in-rush, hence the 16C. Ordinarily I'd suggest simply adding a 16A outlet onto the existing circuit however you'd still need to uprate the upstream OCPD to a C type regardless of any conversation about re-wiring and adding a small consumer unit. You'll only be able to know if you can upgrade the upstream from a B to a C if you can still achieve disconnection times for ADS which will ultimately depend on how long and well installed the existing house > garage cable is - for this you'll need to perform a Zs test.

Thank you for the information. They say that type C is 'recommended' but they don't say it is a necessity. If my type B breaker doesn't trip does this mean I'm OK to use it with the planer?

 

[Fiskey878]

I want to do the same, my ring main comes from my house into my adjoining garage then back in to the house. If the last socket on the ring main is in the garage, can I just disconnect one of the cables pull back to the 16A commando unit then put a leg back to the socket so it’s just added in like an extra socket? It’s in a 32a breaker, the 16a plug is a belt grinder and the motor is 1.5kw which has a lead not earthed! with no fuse but 3 pin plug. It keeps blowing the fuse on the extension cable I’ve got it plugged into when it starts up, this doesn’t happen all the time but it’s on start up the times it has. Don’t want to try anymore! Any help much appreciated

 

[loz2754]

I want to do the same, my ring main comes from my house into my adjoining garage then back in to the house. If the last socket on the ring main is in the garage, can I just disconnect one of the cables pull back to the 16A commando unit then put a leg back to the socket so it’s just added in like an extra socket? It’s in a 32a breaker, the 16a plug is a belt grinder and the motor is 1.5kw which has a lead not earthed! with no fuse but 3 pin plug. It keeps blowing the fuse on the extension cable I’ve got it plugged into when it starts up, this doesn’t happen all the time but it’s on start up the times it has. Don’t want to try anymore! Any help much appreciated

No. A ring final circuit is designed only for BS1363 sockets and other accessories.
A 16A socket is not a BS1363 accessory, and cannot be used in the way you suggest.
The reason being, there is no fuse in a 16A plug.

 

[Fiskey878]

No. A ring final circuit is designed only for BS1363 sockets and other accessories.
A 16A socket is not a BS1363 accessory, and cannot be used in the way you suggest.
The reason being, there is no fuse in a 16A plug.

Yes but the ring only goes out into the garage now so what if I reduce the breaker to a 20amp will that then not be ok? Or I could split it out there and have 2 radial circuits I suppose? Thanks for getting back anyway

 

[Julie.]

Yes but the ring only goes out into the garage now so what if I reduce the breaker to a 20amp will that then not be ok? Or I could split it out there and have 2 radial circuits I suppose? Thanks for getting back anyway

There are two reasons why the industrial 16A socket is not permitted in residential, the first is that standard accessories have an integral fuse because of the normal 32A mcb protection on a ring, but fitting the 16A outlet on a single radial circuit on a 16A mcb solves this.

However the most critical reason is that all equipment for residential has protection against small fingers and poking! Usually via shutters, take the standard 13A outlet as an example; this just isn't present with the 16A or 32A industrial equipment outlets, in this case a child or adult could easily come in direct contact with live conductors. (Think of a small piece of swarf or similar)

There is a workaround, because although the standard indicates that bs1363 sockets must be used, you are allowed to substitute other equipment provided it provides no less protection.

A standard 16A outlet does not meet this requirement, but there are 16A outlets and plugs with interlocking, these have an isolator switch.

In this case when a suitable plug is inserted the switch may be switched on, but then the plug cannot be removed, without a plug in, the switch cannot be turned on.

This would provide the required level of protection provided it is supplied by a 16A mcb.

 

[Fiskey878]

There are two reasons why the industrial 16A socket is not permitted in residential, the first is that standard accessories have an integral fuse because of the normal 32A mcb protection on a ring, but fitting the 16A outlet on a single radial circuit on a 16A mcb solves this.

However the most critical reason is that all equipment for residential has protection against small fingers and poking! Usually via shutters, take the standard 13A outlet as an example; this just isn't present with the 16A or 32A industrial equipment outlets, in this case a child or adult could easily come in direct contact with live conductors. (Think of a small piece of swarf or similar)

There is a workaround, because although the standard indicates that bs1363 sockets must be used, you are allowed to substitute other equipment provided it provides no less protection.

A standard 16A outlet does not meet this requirement, but there are 16A outlets and plugs with interlocking, these have an isolator switch.

In this case when a suitable plug is inserted the switch may be switched on, but then the plug cannot be removed, without a plug in, the switch cannot be turned on.

This would provide the required level of protection provided it is supplied by a 16A mcb.

Thank you very much. I did get a commando unit that has the switch with protection and it’s going on 16amp mcb. All is solved! All that and it’s only a 1500w motor