Mikes Friday night Politics Thread

[dingledong]

Maybe a barge pole mate

 

[ferg]

Crikey Dingledong you have brought up some subjects worthy of a decent debate.

BY decent debate I mean I would argue with you.

Before the demise of the local pub you could have these heated debates but they would be punctuated by things like..

Yer talking crap... Aye its my round we'll have..

Or..

I've never heard such rubbish in my entire life.... we're up on the pool table, you rack em while I go for a pee

 

[D Skelton]

I think what your trying to get at is just plain socialism, fascism was just an extension of corporatism

I believe in a self-sustaining society provided for by manufacture, industry and exports as opposed to a consumerist society barely surviving on finance, commercial service provision and imports. I am an authoritarian, therfore I believe in firm but fair leadership. The power needs to be in the hands of the people so that they can decide how they wish to shape their futures but at the same time I'd be extremely harsh on crime. I'd like to see a progressive step towards a 'one strike' approach to criminality. A single chance to reform, and if so, great. If not however, then that's 23 hours a day in a blank cell for you my friend! I'd like social and economic policies to be debated by everyone and for referendums to take place on a weekly basis as it is not for the politicians to decide what is best for us, they are only there to serve us, something which they love to forget! I heavily support state ownership of things such as gas, electricity, water, trains and busses and I am fully in favour of an enourmous redistribution of wealth taking a very harsh approach towards corporations who wish to decieve the taxpayer and take advantage of society, but, at the same time not destroying the incentive people need to work hard.

In my society, Google would pay their taxes or they would be banned from the internet! Starbucks would pay their taxes or watch their shops burn! Philip Green would pay his taxes, or watch every single business of his on our soil be given away to charity!

I am fully aware that for society to function, socialism in it's purest form will never work as there is no point working ten times harder or being ten times more intelligent than your next door neighbour but still only receiving the same size slice of pie. That said, the neighbour should still be entitled to pie, and he should have more than enough to feed his family without having to go into debt!

I believe we need to be out of the EU because we as a country will be better off for it and I would like to see a closed border policy implemented, similar to that of Australia's. I also disagree with a single penny of ours leaving our shores in foreign aid, most of which only ends up in the pockets of the dictators that line their throne rooms with marble at our expense.

I believe in a unified island, and for that, Alex Salmond can go eat faeces, but I believe it is in our best interests as an island to look out for number one first and foremost!

I'm ranting now, but can't you see. National Socialism is just a healthy dose of nationalism and socialism combined. I guess in it's purest form you could call me a fascist, I just don't have the penchant for violence, nor the will to see the kind of leader worship commonly associated with many past fascist governments.

The problem is, there are so many different types of fascism and that I think is where people go wrong. They see the words authoritarian or nationalism and immediately scream "FASCIST!" without actually knowing much of what they're talking about. There are so many ways to mobilise society within fascist ideology, some of which in the past have resulted in genocide and war, which means for those of us who may appear to be more moderate in our views, we unfortunately get lumped in the same category.

Putting our prejudice aside for one moment. If Hitler had actually been a decent fella instead of a raving lunatic. If he'd have stuck to just charisma and not brought anti-semitism into the mix. If he didn't have so much hate within him, or the burning desire to invade other nations or kill other races, he'd be lauded as probably the greatest leader of all time!

You don't have to be a soap dodging leftie to be a socialist, neither do you have to be a racist or a bigot to be a nationalist.

 

[ferg]

I'd like to see a progressive step towards a 'one strike' approach to criminality. A single chance to reform, and if so, great. If not however, then that's 23 hours a day in a blank cell for you my friend!

Well that's me and everyone I've ever known in a blank cell.

I'm assuming being caught and getting away with it are the same thing?

So far this week I've been speeding several times.

I just tried to count the amount of laws I broke between the ages of 15 and 28 and failed miserably.

My wife suffers from chronic back pain and I've been known to roll her the odd herbal cigarette for pain relief.

So by your measure I should be in prison locked down for 23 HRs a day ?

 

[D Skelton]

Well that's me and everyone I've ever known in a blank cell.

I'm assuming being caught and getting away with it are the same thing?

So far this week I've been speeding several times.

I just tried to count the amount of laws I broke between the ages of 15 and 28 and failed miserably.

My wife suffers from chronic back pain and I've been known to roll her the odd herbal cigarette for pain relief.

So by your measure I should be in prison locked down for 23 HRs a day ?

I'm talking about muggers, thieves and drug dealers mate, not speeders and the occasional herb smokers ffs!

 

[ferg]

Now we agree

 

[ferg]

I'm talking about muggers, thieves and drug dealers mate, not speeders and the occasional herb smokers ffs!

That is kind of my point.

What one person thinks of as a crime the rest of us think of as insignificant.

As a democratic society we should be able to decide what crimes deserve what punishment.

 

[rapparee]

I'm talking about muggers, thieves and drug dealers mate, not speeders and the occasional herb smokers ffs!

you're a patriot and a socialist, and maybe a left wing nationalist, in the same vein as nasser's egypt or saddam's iraq. i would be supportive of both, don't be confusing socialism with trippy hippy bollox

 

[dingledong]

Yes you make a point and every one takes it to extremes bring in a law to stop theft and next minute your saying but what if I found a penny
Bring back hanging but 3 innocent people have died .what about cases where it is proven full stop if in doubt make it life , as a criminal why shouldn't I have to work a10 hour day that's what I am in prison for .
Hitler is regarded as a demon but Stalin was 10 time's worse in every way and more

 

[not clever]

I'm talking about muggers, thieves and drug dealers mate, not speeders and the occasional herb smokers ffs!

You may be a nice Fascist (if there is such an animal) Unfortunately others in your ----/ National socialist party wouldn't be the same (as history shows us) & I would predict that once all the muggers, thieves & drug dealers were out of the way, the party in question would then move onto ...........ooohhh lets think now, that's right any body that doesn't agree with your dictatorial way of thinking or measure up to the model individual of the ---- state, these people would possibly include;

The mentally ill.
Those with Down-syndrome.
Non whites
Speeders (who don't pay a back hander to the local Standartenführer)
Those of the wrong religion.
And any other poor **** that you take a dislike to.
not forgetting the way neighbour would inform on neighbour & relative on relative because that's how a ---- & Stasi policed state works.

Have to agree with the Alex Salmond comment though.