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It may not disagree with any regulations, but SC you surely can see the apparent dangers of applying such a circuit.I'm not saying I would do this because I wouldn't install like this, but I am going to play devils advocate.
Which regulations does such an arrangement breach?
And how would two ring final circuits installed in accordance with the regulations connected to the same 32A MCB be dangerous?
As I say I wouldn't do it, except as a temporary measure to restore supply, so I'm just curious about the thought process behind the statements.
Don't think you need a reg number SC look up the description of a circuit.@SparkyChick
I have been having similar thoughts,
I don't think its right, and its not something I would install as new.
however I have just been browsing the book, and nothing is jumping out to say I couldn't do it if I wanted to.
I think we can mostly all agree that it is certainly not best practice but if someone could point me to a reg number it would make me feel better.
It may not disagree with any regulations, but SC you surely can see the apparent dangers of applying such a circuit.
Don't think you need a reg number SC look up the description of a circuit.
You could put more than one radial on a MCB but its not good practice.
Tell me about it did think it would get so many mixed opinions! Always tell myself it doesn't hurt to have a second opinion on things and as I wasnt certain about this that's what I done. Thank you for the positive outlook and advice ?@JKMRK1Tell me about it did think it would get so many mixed opinions!@JKMRK1
wow, look what you have started here!!
I like the conversation thread,
you are listed as a trainee, when you get your qualifications you will be a qualified electrician. just look at the different ways the regs have been interpreted and peoples opinions on what is good, bad and indifferent practice.
as your time and experience in the trade expands, you will start to build an idea of what is a good installation and will also be more opinionated about what is not ok.
bottom line for me when I consider things that are not accurately defined, would I be happy if this was installed at my daughters house?
it normally guides my mind in the right direction.
Always tell myself it doesn't hurt to have a second opinion on things and as I wasnt certain about this that's what I done.
Thank you for the positive outlook and advice ?
wow, look what you have started here!!
I like the conversation thread,
you are listed as a trainee, when you get your qualifications you will be a qualified electrician. just look at the different ways the regs have been interpreted and peoples opinions on what is good, bad and indifferent practice.
as your time and experience in the trade expands, you will start to build an idea of what is a good installation and will also be more opinionated about what is not ok.
bottom line for me when I consider things that are not accurately defined, would I be happy if this was installed at my daughters house?
it normally guides my mind in the right direction.
It would depend on an informed engineering judgement as to whether the conductors were securely terminated for me.Just a point.
Two rings or not, in general, what are FIRST thoughts on four (or more) cables in a circuit breaker terminal, whilst carrying out an EICR?
How long is a piece of string, maybe?
Just a point.
Two rings or not, in general, what are FIRST thoughts on four (or more) cables in a circuit breaker terminal, whilst carrying out an EICR?
How long is a piece of string, maybe?
It says to me that things have probably been done on a tight budget, i.e. the consumer unit has not got enough ways for what they want to supply.
look out for other things that may have been overlooked!
I dont think you have got mixed opinions, nobody has said this is anything other than bad practice. But the question concerns regulations, and as yet nobody has given an actual regulation that this breaches, and throwing hands up in horror does not count as a regulation.Tell me about it did think it would get so many mixed opinions! Always tell myself it doesn't hurt to have a second opinion on things and as I wasnt certain about this that's what I done. Thank you for the positive outlook and advice ?
But there's a spare way in this particular CU.
You couldn't, because by definition it would be one radial.You could put more than one radial on a MCB but its not good practice.
How is it dangerous, apart from the potential issue with the four conductors in the terminals/cage clamp (which although crap is unlikely to be an issue in real terms)?2 Rings on 32mcb is dangerous are you sure it's not 2 radials?
Still, tight budget could also mean tight on time, not got another breaker in the box?
never mind, its Friday the pub is open, just stick it in the other breaker and we are out of here!!
when you see an obvious short cut like that it makes me look for others.
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