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Did Trump do a good Job as President.

  • No

    Votes: 24 49.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 7 14.3%
  • Yes but he was a bit of a loose cannon (said stupid stuff).

    Votes: 18 36.7%
  • No better or worse than Obama

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    49
Not quite.

From Wikipedia:

Pennsylvania:

On January 22, 2018, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania mandated that the state's congressional map be redrawn, alleging that the current map was unconstitutionally drawn to favor Republicans and disenfranchise Democratic voters, a process known as gerrymandering. Less than one month later, a new congressional map was drawn and approved. The new map would take place in the May primaries.[3] With the new congressional map in place, Democrats had a net gain of three congressional seats, giving the Democratic Party half of Pennsylvania's congressional seats.


Michigan:

In 2018, the state electorate passed proposals to create an independent redistricting commission,


*Edit: I'm not sure if any redistricting took place in Michigan since that time
Helpful post. A bit like informing us that that the murder victim had 4 instead of 5 bullet wounds. Don't miss the elephant in the room.

What you perhaps I advertently highlighted in your post is the republican practice of "gerrymandering. Add to that all the other means of trying to disenfranchised voters. If none of that works, just send down the local armed militia to stand outside the voting stations. Not very democratic, is it
 
Not quite.

From Wikipedia:

Pennsylvania:

On January 22, 2018, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania mandated that the state's congressional map be redrawn, alleging that the current map was unconstitutionally drawn to favor Republicans and disenfranchise Democratic voters, a process known as gerrymandering. Less than one month later, a new congressional map was drawn and approved. The new map would take place in the May primaries.[3] With the new congressional map in place, Democrats had a net gain of three congressional seats, giving the Democratic Party half of Pennsylvania's congressional seats.


Michigan:

In 2018, the state electorate passed proposals to create an independent redistricting commission,


*Edit: I'm not sure if any redistricting took place in Michigan since that time
I think you've undermined your own case there, it says the Republicans were gerrymandering. Unless I've misunderstood your point.
 
Helpful post. A bit like informing us that that the murder victim had 4 instead of 5 bullet wounds. Don't miss the elephant in the room.

What you perhaps I advertently highlighted in your post is the republican practice of "gerrymandering. Add to that all the other means of trying to disenfranchised voters. If none of that works, just send down the local armed militia to stand outside the voting stations. Not very democratic, is it

Not inadvertant at all and there's no denying the history of gerrymandering by US republicans. I'm not sure how historic events tie in to a thread entitled "USA politics, recent events"?

The information I posted is of little relevance, but was a response to your post that seemed to assume control of state legisature as overriding factor in the overall electoral processes of that state.
 
Correct. Darkwood has written the vast majority of the content and reading back through it I find little of substance . What's clear is he is a big fan of ex president Trump and believes he has been cheated out of an election by voter fraud. The fact that Trump's vice President, his own attorney General, (William Barr) said otherwise matters, little. The states where disputed votes supposedly took place were all republican controlled. They all stated there was no fraud. The judges agreed including the trump appointed ones. But in Trump's World facts could be overturned by "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories.

Anyone popping in to the forum for the first time would think he had inadvertently stumbled onto "Parler-lite"
I sat through several hours of open hearing in the contested states, little to none of these have had the chance to be presented before judge and jury to be ruled on so any claims of no fraud have no meaning as no cases have allowed evidence to be heard or evidence to be gathered even though in some counties to this day we have court orders to allow for access to ballots and machines, they have effectively all be stonewalled repeatedly, your comment about William Barr - please do me the honours and recite what he actually said word for word and in full context.
I will ask again about an earlier comment you made, you said Trump has brought a white supremacist group from the fringes into the mainstream or words to that effect, you still haven't told me who this group is as I cannot find any.
This is not about 'in Trump's world', there has been individual private claims of voter fraud and also Powell brought independent claims herself which are not a part of Trump's claims.

I assume then if you say that no voter fraud occurred you can explain why we now have numerous people on trial for voter fraud and are on film admitting to it, I find it amazing how these cases simply never make it to the mainstream media, it's almost like they had an agenda but hey, that would be me been a conspiracist again even though we have hours of CNN secretly taped conversations of hows to protect Biden from negative stories and how to attack Trump.

PS was not on Parlour or any forum of that kind, I don't even have a twitter and don't bother using FB although I have FB just to catch up on local bands playing.
I actually follow a group who have channels that breakdown the legal process and analyse the actions and merits of the cases and explain without bias what is occurring if you must know, I also follow people like Viva Frei who is a Canadian law expert and when he comments on US law he brings in guest speakers to confirm US laws and legal process when he need verification, I only know of parlour through their videos and if you watch YT recent one on parlour suing Amazon you will realise not all is as it seems or is told to you by the media.
 
I wish you would read my posts and stop trying to put words in my mouth, at no point have I said there were no Trump supporters in the riots on Capitol Hill.
I was clear in stating the Pelosi is pushing for an impeachment on Trump based on the speech of the Trump rally 2miles down from Capitol Hill, she was clear about it been that speech that she claims incited the disturbances on Capitol Hill, at no point did I mention nore did she about tweets prior to or following the breach of Capitol Hill.

I never said the National Guard were in Cahoots, the national Guard is a large body, I cited a piece that gave specific names of the local police Chief Commander and who he reported to, it was the failure of who he reported to that the national guard was not brought in.

There were several prominent arrests over the breach of Capitol Hill and through FB messenger and Twitter the FBI have found a pre organised intent to cause maximum disturbances with some information asking for members of the government and opposition to be kidnapped and or killed, on such person was a deluded Trump fan who was found with a hit list and arsenal of weapons, I never said there were no trump supporters involved, I clearly stated the the mainstream media were telling a very different story to that of what happened that day, leaving out the fact that many arrested were there who participated in the initial push and breach of Capitol Hill were indeed Antifa and BLM, some well known and already facing previous charges for rioting.

When the building was breached and people got in at some point security were filmed letting in people through 2 side doors, people simply followed the crowd at this stage and starting walking in and walking around, there was plenty of uploaded footing that show people walking about filming the building and surrounding while in other areas their were been violent.

The link to the guy I cited - his lengthy video even shows him talking to a journalist at the end admitting to pre arranging it and he says he was sorry he couldn't tell her too much (her been a journalist) but he also goes on to say, "I told you it was going to be epic or words to that effect, isn't this the best, I just couldn't tell you too much," his internet history directly links him to Antifa, BLM and it shows him organising with groups for this event and attack, he is not a Trump fan and he came equipped but like I keep saying, the media ignore any of these hardened violent protesters who had pre-planned it and continue to say the riots were a reaction to Trump's speech that day.
PS - I am not claiming conspiracy, the FBI were aware of intentions of known groups, it was even publicly announced they had intelligence on such matters yet did nothing, requested no back up and then denied it after, the FBI will have reported this to Pelosi given she was in the chair that day, so 2 scenarios

They did report their concern and Pelosi told them to do nothing or they didn't tell Pelosi which raises bigger questions.
If they didn't tell Pelosi then the Chief Commander reported to Pelosi's rep' for the national guard and he should have also reported it been a security issue of the building she was in.
Somebody somewhere made a conscious decision to ignore the preemptive threat alert or ignored the active threat alert and from the citation of the interview given by the Chief Commander it looks on Pelosi in both scenarios unless by massive coincidence she was never told by 2 departments that were there to warn of her of such security matters.
Take from this what you will but when the sequence of event do not add up and then we see an unconstitutional attempt to impeach Trump it does point consistently to political motivation was in play and when I say unconstitutional I mean they are trying to impeach a private citizen now which impeachment does not cover and they are trying to do it by subverting the law and Trump's rights to a fair hearing.. now that is corruption right there if I ever saw it, all to ensure he cannot run again in 4yrs time.
I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’ve summarised the suspicions you’ve made.

Lets face it none of us know what really took place, we were not there. As typical in large scale violent demonstrations, it’s difficult to comprehend how this unfolded. We gain our information, from various sources, mostly the internet, which I have.

Indeed there was intelligence on what’s was to happen, you only have to look at all the stuff on the internet beforehand, about ‘stopthesteal’. I’ve read that the Capitol Police, said there was no such intelligence.

For your first point, the various persons were present in and around the Capitol because of the happenings in there, but also by various tweets Trump had been made leading up to this event, not least his speech, for many days before. He IMO incited them before and during.

Again from the internet, the Capitol Police are responsible for the security of the building. Washington, D.C., is not a state: Because D.C. does not have a governor, D.C. Guard deployments must be approved by the city’s National Guard army secretary, Ryan McCarthy. This is a slower process than a governor hastily declaring a state of emergency and calling in National Guard forces in large numbers.

Pelosi is not in charge of the security of the Capitol building (various internet searches).

Quite simply the Capitol Police were overwhelmed by the size of the mob. We will have to wait and see, why they did not have additional resources. They only have 2000 officers. Even if they were all deployed, that would be insufficient to protect the grounds and building IMO, in such an incident. Perhaps they were too vain to ask.

For your last point, there is precedent for impeachment of a person, after they have left office. Leave you all to google that.

Apologies for the long post folks ?
 

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