What the hell has happened to the 18th edition course

[Creamy Goodne5]

So I decided to do my 18th edition after needing to renew my ecs card and they wouldn’t until I Did it.

My company decided to put me on the 4 day course becuase they thought it had a higher pass rate and they said they will go through the book and exam questions better

Well I’m into day 3 and the guy has literally just read the book out from page to page with a 400 slide PowerPoint giving a guide on main points on each page, has not gone through a single mock question yet and has said he won’t until just before the test. £699 to have a guy read to me for 3 friggin days?

Is this what the course is like nowadays, the 17th I did had about a day of going through the main points of the book and then doing mock exams while explaining the answers ?

 

[mattg4321]

Mine was the nic course held all around the country. Perhaps they still have that option

 

[oracle]

What happened about the practical assignment?

 

[DPG]

What happened about the practical assignment?

On the 18th regs course??

 

[oracle]

On the 18th regs course??

Senior moment

 

[Creamy Goodne5]

Local collage will not let you.

This

Most local learning centres around here wont let you just take the Exam, you have to do the course.

 

[Aaron b]

I used learnzonemedia. It was terrible content, there are mock tests that were helpful but badly written and not similar to the actual exam. It was just a video of someone reading the book and every so often saying this will probably come up. I gave up on the videos and watched sparky ninja cover it on YouTube. I needed to enroll on a course to book the exam.

 

[kelectrictutoruk]

So I decided to do my 18th edition after needing to renew my ecs card and they wouldn’t until I Did it.

My company decided to put me on the 4 day course becuase they thought it had a higher pass rate and they said they will go through the book and exam questions better

Well I’m into day 3 and the guy has literally just read the book out from page to page with a 400 slide PowerPoint giving a guide on main points on each page, has not gone through a single mock question yet and has said he won’t until just before the test. £699 to have a guy read to me for 3 friggin days?

Is this what the course is like nowadays, the 17th I did had about a day of going through the main points of the book and then doing mock exams while explaining the answers ?

I teach for a technical learning centre and the problem with lecturers is that people can or cannot teach, you can't be taught how. As regards to his teaching methods..... my students get 3 Mock Exams, the first they do on their own to get an understanding of how the questions are designed to make you fail. The next exam I go through it with them to show how to read the question and determine where in the book to find the answer. The final mock I give them the choice of doing it themselves or we go through it together. We have to go through the book that's a must, but explanation of calculations, cable choice, and pointing out various areas we know questions are usually asked is also required to name but a few things that need to be covered. No reputable body can give a guaranteed pass all they can guarantee that the majority of answers are in the book, you just have to find them. As regards to post-it notes, I always recommend only using them to highlight the start of the chapters and to only use the index as a last resort. Every question needs to be understood what part the answer is to be found, and once you have determined this look on page 3 find the relevant part and go to the first page of that part to allow you to get more relevant information about the chapters in that section. Once you've pinpointed the relevant chapter, go to the first page of that chapter to further pinpoint the answer, by reading the contents of the page/s. Sorry you had a crap teacher/lecturer but that's a prime example of someone who doesn't know how to teach and unfortunately you don't know about their teaching abilities unless you get information from student feedback, Course Check is what the company I work for use, but no doubt there are others ,hope you found the advise useful and I would suggest you inform your company of his teaching methods and also next time to check on any tutors reputation going forward. Oh and by the way our course is taught over 3 days, and we/I get an average 80% pass rate, with probably a 85/90% average resit pass rate.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

Try these mock questions

at sparky facts .co .uk

 

[NOMISREPIP]

So I decided to do my 18th edition after needing to renew my ecs card and they wouldn’t until I Did it.

My company decided to put me on the 4 day course becuase they thought it had a higher pass rate and they said they will go through the book and exam questions better

Well I’m into day 3 and the guy has literally just read the book out from page to page with a 400 slide PowerPoint giving a guide on main points on each page, has not gone through a single mock question yet and has said he won’t until just before the test. £699 to have a guy read to me for 3 friggin days?

Is this what the course is like nowadays, the 17th I did had about a day of going through the main points of the book and then doing mock exams while explaining the answers ?

 

[NOMISREPIP]

So I decided to do my 18th edition after needing to renew my ecs card and they wouldn’t until I Did it.

My company decided to put me on the 4 day course becuase they thought it had a higher pass rate and they said they will go through the book and exam questions better

Well I’m into day 3 and the guy has literally just read the book out from page to page with a 400 slide PowerPoint giving a guide on main points on each page, has not gone through a single mock question yet and has said he won’t until just before the test. £699 to have a guy read to me for 3 friggin days?

Is this what the course is like nowadays, the 17th I did had about a day of going through the main points of the book and then doing mock exams while explaining the answers ?

I did an online course which was basically a guy reading line by line all the "relevant" stuff.
Thought that was a waste of £100 so I watched every SparkyNinja video on the 18th (which i found way more informative than a classroom based course) then booked an exam directly with SETA in Southampton.
Achieved 95%, very happy with that.

 

[swaRRR]

I simply took the advice of others who said figure out how to use the contents, appendix and the tables.

I then booked online with a practice exam test provider and passed with 96%.

I did get a full NICEIC course online for my money (course was £300 for an online course plus exam) but it was simply trying to get you to memorise facts from the book which is completely pointless.

For the exam, memorise the pages that are useful, learn to use them to interpret and find the information, and then use the on-site guide to actually get a grip of how the regs are applied in real life.

 

[oracle]

I didn't bother with the course - waste of time. Just turned up, did the exam and left.

I don't like being taught, all i do is buy the book read whats new since last edition/amendment and sit the exam

 

[Aaron b]

I simply took the advice of others who said figure out how to use the contents, appendix and the tables.

I then booked online with a practice exam test provider and passed with 96%.

I did get a full NICEIC course online for my money (course was £300 for an online course plus exam) but it was simply trying to get you to memorise facts from the book which is completely pointless.

For the exam, memorise the pages that are useful, learn to use them to interpret and find the information, and then use the on-site guide to actually get a grip of how the regs are applied in real life.

Well done with the test. I got 90% on the 18th exam, it's a shame they don't let you know which ones were wrong. I'd like to know if I misread it or actually got it wrong.

 

[swaRRR]

Well done with the test. I got 90% on the 18th exam, it's a shame they don't let you know which ones were wrong. I'd like to know if I misread it or actually got it wrong.

Thanks. 90% is an awesome result. I actually had an educated guess at 3 of the questions since i couldn't find the answers and had about 5 minutes left. I'm not too worried about it, the reality is in real life you just google something.

 

[Mike Johnson]

The most revealing thing I remember a lecturer said to the assembled throng at uni was, "I can't teach you anything, you can only learn" That was over fifty years ago and I think its the only thing I remember now.

 

[UNG]

the reality is in real life you just google something.

So you clearly don't work to your own advice

And very important is DO NOT USE YOUR PHONE AT WORK. Super duper important.

 

[oracle]

A good lecturer does not just read things at you verbatim. Where did you go to uni?

Are you also saying that teachers are just people who read PowerPoint slides to kids?

I feel you will be upsetting anyone in the teaching profession with your comments.

I'm a retired teacher (electrical) and I'm not at all offended by this. A lot of the guys teaching in college that I've met are useless, one guy just said "read the book " and didn't teach at all

 

[swaRRR]

So you clearly don't work to your own advice

Lol really? Like really really? Wow, man.

No grey area for you huh? Looking up cat 5 colour order or checking a reg on your phone is exactly the same as the obvious surfing facebook or whatsapping your mates that i was referring to?

C'mon mate, i think you're just trying to start arguments here for some reason.

 

[UNG]

Lol really? Like really really? Wow, man.

Glad you find it funny

No grey area for you huh?

I don't like grey areas

Looking up cat 5 colour order or checking a reg on your phone is exactly the same as the obvious surfing facebook or whatsapping your mates that i was referring to?

I don't need to look up cat5 colours and do know the difference between 568A and 568B without the need to use my phone

C'mon mate, i think you're just trying to start arguments here for some reason.

You are putting yourself in the firing line with your inconsistant comments
My underpinning knowledge is stored in my head after a 5 year apprenticeship with day release at college when I qualified it was a little difficult to look up info on my PCD that I didn't have then and wasn't even available at the time. From another thread it is easy to diss college learning and rely on add on courses to make people believe you know what you are doing but something that has been said for many years is that little knowledge is a dangerous thing

 

[Lister1987]

The most revealing thing I remember a lecturer said to the assembled throng at uni was, "I can't teach you anything, you can only learn" That was over fifty years ago and I think its the only thing I remember now.

"I can teach you this but I cannot make you understand it, retain it and recall it when needed; You can say what you like about the quality of teaching but it is the quality of the pupil that is the deciding factor."

My year 11 science teacher. It took me a while to figure out what he meant but once I figured out that even a great teacher can get grounded down by shitty pupils and students. It's not that deliberately give up on those that couldn't care less but they would rather put thier efforts into those that gave a ---- and returned good results.

 

[Cazmac1]

So I decided to do my 18th edition after needing to renew my ecs card and they wouldn’t until I Did it.

My company decided to put me on the 4 day course becuase they thought it had a higher pass rate and they said they will go through the book and exam questions better

Well I’m into day 3 and the guy has literally just read the book out from page to page with a 400 slide PowerPoint giving a guide on main points on each page, has not gone through a single mock question yet and has said he won’t until just before the test. £699 to have a guy read to me for 3 friggin days?

Is this what the course is like nowadays, the 17th I did had about a day of going through the main points of the book and then doing mock exams while explaining the answers ?

Seems like you got a bad instructor, I done my first BS7671 exam when I was at college learning to be a spark since then I've always done exam only. There is a certain amount of basic knowledge and the rest I get from past papers and using the book to confirm those answers. I feel you pain the only thing I would say is that those courses have test papers that are close to the real exam.