A good example why not to use a Twist connector!

[timbobelfast]

Found this badboy this afternoon after someone reported a break down in the kitchen area.

 

[pauljpickering8]

Wire Nuts....thats why we call them Fire Nuts!

 

[Guitarist]

I am really, really amazed that they have made a comeback in this Country. We stopped using them decades ago for a very good reason!!!

 

[oldtimer]

Stripped out hundreds of ceramic ones when I was serving my time and they were fine for multistranded vir cable at the type but were no good for single core cable fast forward 35 years and this import from America is doing the rounds and I cannot think why we should use it inplace of connector block

 

[Marvo]

I've noticed a couple of companies are doing some fairly aggressive marketing for these thing recently. I assumed they'd made some improvements to the design....maybe not. They're pretty common in appliances manufactured in the US, I've got no idea why the Yanks love them so much.

 

[timbobelfast]

For the record, this was not discovered in the UK.
It was found on a military camp which is supposed to be British Standard!

 

[Paul.M]

Think I'll stick with wago's, never seen a burnt out wago yet (yet).

 

[Knobhead]

The dammed things want banning.
In there first incarnation as Screwits at least they were porcelain so heat proof. Now plastic coated metal they can melt in to a blob.

 

[telectrix]

they do have their place...............

 

[oldtimer]

For the record, this was not discovered in the UK.
It was found on a military camp which is supposed to be British Standard!

Probably find that they were trained by the US on how to throw a base camp together

 

[Guest123]

Ideal industries have recently re-introduced them over here via neweys.

Needless to say, they didn't last long!

Awful bloody things!

 

[Plonker 3]

Ideal industries have recently re-introduced them over here via neweys.

Needless to say, they didn't last long!

Awful bloody things!

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Still have them in my local Denmans, also seen them in other wholesalers too. Some even have a demo set up so you can try them out.

 

[sparks1973]

I've noticed a couple of companies are doing some fairly aggressive marketing for these thing recently. I assumed they'd made some improvements to the design....maybe not. They're pretty common in appliances manufactured in the US, I've got no idea why the Yanks love them so much.

well for a start...recently at the show in manchester i had folk pushing these things under my nose...i was suspicious about em then...still am..that didn`t stop me grabbing a large fistful though and..
secondly....well you have already answered your question `why the yanks love em so much`.... well of course its because they make em there.........

 

[alarm man]

tin hat on.i like them,only used the twister pro ones(are they designed to match your c&k gear,probaby a ploy) i like wago and chock block and crimps,no matter what you use its only as good as the spark connecting it up,

 

[sparks1973]

tin hat on.i like them,only used the twister pro ones(are they designed to match your c&k gear,probaby a ploy) i like wago and chock block and crimps,no matter what you use its only as good as the spark connecting it up,

this is it...they looked alrite when i had a go with em at the elex show in manchester....my only concern here with em though is differing tempretures causin em to work loose over time....

 

[alarm man]

this is it...they looked alrite when i had a go with em at the elex show in manchester....my only concern here with em though is differing tempretures causin em to work loose over time....

fair point,on any connector i suppose,but still better than choc block,

 

[Guest123]

I wonder if they've acheived BSEN or ISO conformity yet. Last time I inquired, they hadn't.

 

[sparks1973]

fair point,on any connector i suppose,but still better than choc block,

yep but wago`s n hellemans will accomodate tempreture difference....a lot of these connectors coming onto the market will clearly struggle with it...you only have to look at some of em...

 

[sparks1973]

I wonder if they've acheived BSEN or ISO conformity yet. Last time I inquired, they hadn't.

well i cant see it Lenny...after all the jury is still out on wago`s isn`t it and they are clearly better than this....

 

[Guest123]

Edit...just noticed they are CE marked.

 

[alarm man]

well i cant see it Lenny...after all the jury is still out on wago`s isn`t it and they are clearly better than this....

all those twisters are doing is twisting the cable together,we were taught to do the same with pliers at college,now people dont twist cables,a push in connector can cause problems over time its only a spring,so crimping would be the best method but theres always a need for faster connections and the twisters and wagos offer that.

 

[sparks1973]

all those twisters are doing is twisting the cable together,we were taught to do the same with pliers at college,now people dont twist cables,a push in connector can cause problems over time its only a spring,so crimping would be the best method but theres always a need for faster connections and the twisters and wagos offer that.

dont get me wrong...i like crimps and will use em wherever appropriate.....i just look at some of this stuff.....and think it isn`t even a go-er.....

 

[alarm man]

dont get me wrong...i like crimps and will use em wherever appropriate.....i just look at some of this stuff.....and think it isn`t even a go-er.....

i prefer the crimp method too,but as you know its not always possible due to short cables/tight places etc,but both wago and ideal are international companies suppyling connectors so theres a lot of people using them to keep them going,both have their pros and cons and people who prefer one over the other.

 

[Robinson]

I seem to remember these twisty things also do a IP rated twisty things. with a gel. But TBH they looked even more questionable than the normal ones , couldnt get my head around em. seemed so vulnerable.

 

[sparks1973]

I seem to remember these twisty things also do a IP rated twisty things. with a gel. But TBH they looked even more questionable than the normal ones , couldnt get my head around em. seemed so vulnerable.

these `twisters` as they go by...they still need to be in an enclosure....

 

[jumpin jax]

In my opinion, anything that involves twisting cables is a pain in the a*** when coming to testing. It really peeves me when i test at a socket and the lives and cpc are twisted, but thats another thread.:veryangry2:

 

[sparks1973]

In my opinion, anything that involves twisting cables is a pain in the a*** when coming to testing. It really peeves me when i test at a socket and the lives and cpc are twisted, but thats another thread.:veryangry2:

shouldn`t affect testing though should it....you test an install with the socket fronts IN PLACE.....your R1+Rn & R1+R2 confirms wether correct polarity has been acheaved.....now if you had said inspections...well then thats a different matter...now, i dont like twisted CPCs n stuff like that...but at a socket it dont effect the testing process.....different matter at the board/CU though....

 

[jumpin jax]

Sockets are handy for doing end to end though.

 

[Paul.M]

shouldn`t affect testing though should it....you test an install with the socket fronts IN PLACE.....your R1+Rn & R1+R2 confirms wether correct polarity has been acheaved.....now if you had said inspections...well then thats a different matter...now, i dont like twisted CPCs n stuff like that...but at a socket it dont effect the testing process.....different matter at the board/CU though....

On the testing side of this debate:- These 'turkey twizlers' are so much easier to disconnect, separate the wires and put it back to normal once tested?

So much better than unscrewing a choc block, henley or a jb, much easier than pushing a spring clip on an ashley connecter and so much faster than pulling a lever on a wago! Now reconnect the wires? What's that, the previous spark that fitted them in the backbox didn't leave enough cable to snip off the twisted ends so you can ensure a good connection?

I really don't like these, It's like trusting a toothpaste cap to sort out your terminations problems (that we didn't have a problem before).

Let's see how fast the company pulls out of the market due to poor sales? Let's put it this way, would you buy shares in them?

 

[alarm man]

ideal hae been trading for 96 yrs they must be doing something right,and you have to snip the wires of a push in connector to remake them off also,theres a market for all types of connector