Code 1 Problems - Am I being Scammed?

[Octopus]

My guess is that the agency will be adding their cut!

 

[telectrix]

by fitting a new CU, half of the remedials would automatically be taken care of just by installing it. i'd say £500 was nearer the mark for everything.

 

[SW1970]

Whereabouts are you in the UK darkforces?

 

[darkforces]

Whereabouts are you in the UK darkforces?

Leytonstone, London

 

[SW1970]

There's quite a few of these bucketshop PIR operations in London.

 

[darkforces]

Heres the relevant pages of the report in image format. To be honest I dont mind paying the £150 + VAT for the cert but then having to pay additional for stuff that isnt needed is an issue for me.

 

[High Tower]

Dark Forces,
Whatever happens you will still need to be in possession of a satisfactory PIR report and the the 2x code 2 deviations will need rectifying. So my suggestion is have a look through the listings on here a find a member in your area, or start a new thread looking for a spark in your area, 15,000+ members there must be someone in your area.

I would speak to your prospective agent and explain that the report carried out by their spark was far from acceptable and that you believe that he was trying to pull the wool over your eyes and extract money for a survey not completed to the required standard, and further trying to extract money for works that are not required.

I would put this to the agent, ask them is it something that they condone or support, i would mention trading standards, and i would categorically state that you will not be paying for the report. I would also go to great lengths to point out that the possible relationship between you and the agent is in serious jeopardy and that this may affect your business relationship, with them, going forward. by doing this you may find that the agent will be a little more helpful as a result.

Going forward, use your own tradesmen that way you have control of payment to them and you can be sure of where the tradesmen's priorities lie!, and you know the agent are not taking their cut.

 

[darkforces]

Dark Forces,
Whatever happens you will still need to be in possession of a satisfactory PIR report and the the 2x code 2 deviations will need rectifying. So my suggestion is have a look through the listings on here a find a member in your area, or start a new thread looking for a spark in your area, 15,000+ members there must be someone in your area.

I would speak to your prospective agent and explain that the report carried out by their spark was far from acceptable and that you believe that he was trying to pull the wool over your eyes and extract money for a survey not completed to the required standard, and further trying to extract money for works that are not required.

I would put this to the agent, ask them is it something that they condone or support, i would mention trading standards, and i would categorically state that you will not be paying for the report. I would also go to great lengths to point out that the possible relationship between you and the agent is in serious jeopardy and that this may affect your business relationship, with them, going forward. by doing this you may find that the agent will be a little more helpful as a result.

Going forward, use your own tradesmen that way you have control of payment to them and you can be sure of where the tradesmen's priorities lie!, and you know the agent are not taking their cut.

OK thanks for that.. I did actually speak to the agent last week when the electrician had left and explained to him what the electrician had told me verbally. He explained that the electrician was just someone they recomended for this sort of thing and had no affiliation with the agency whatsoever. He did mention that sometimes the people they had reccomended could get a bit greedy with upselling their services and reccomending improvements that were not necessary but obviously the ownus was on me to make sure I did my due dilligence regarding this.

However in my opinion this is not just greed, its sheer incompetence and obviously I will be explaining to the agent I will not be paying for this cert.

 

[telectrix]

what i would suggest is that you contact 1 or 2 local electricians for a quote for the remedials. make sure that you get a guy that's registered with napit, elecsa or niceic and ask for proof of this.

 

[Silly Sausage]

View attachment 7649

Interesting to see there are some 'real' IR test results.
Almost(?!) believable if there weren't any L/N tests, all done in 1 hour...hahaha!

 

[malcolmsanford]

Is the board change on advise of the letting agency that they require all the properties to have RCD protection ?

I know that quite a few uni's and agencies have a stipulation that all properties must have RCD protection, I just wonder if your agency stipulated same, and the sparks was informed of this?

Saying that the 150 pound price for an hours work does seem excessive, and his coding does leave a lot to be desired. Can't make out why he has LIMITED the 2 circuits on the IR test, and still managed to carry out an R1 + R2 on them.

 

[topquark]

As telectrix alluded, he may have been a plumber in disguise.

Check anyone you get in to quote on here: Local Authority Building Control - HOME

Hmmm, an unknown 2.5mm circuit with a 16A breaker, no idea what that is likely to be in a domestic environment given what else has been identified :banghead:

 

[Mark_Burgess]

That cert is a duffer, he must have measured the Zs and subtracted the Ze for the R1+R2 readings as readings are all consistently 0.22ohms difference.

I think you are right to refuse to pay for a PIR that is wrong in so many ways.

 

[telectrix]

those readings look like they were copied out of a book.

 

[telectrix]

As telectrix alluded, he may have been a plumber in disguise.

Check anyone you get in to quote on here Local Authority Building Control - HOME

Hmmm, an unknown 2.5mm circuit with a 16A breaker, no idea what that is likely to be in a domestic environment given what else has been identified :banghead:

maybe there is an immersion heater lurking away where it can't be found.

 

[topquark]

maybe there is an immersion heater lurking away where it can't be found.

Was thinking either that or the boiler feed (fused down to 3A at the boiler).

 

[telectrix]

Was thinking either that or the boiler feed (fused down to 3A at the boiler).

what's the mother-in -law got to do with it?

 

[darkforces]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I will be using all of this when speaking to the electrician later. One thing that does spring to mind. On my driveway I have a montion sensor activated lamp which comes on when anyone is within the vicinity of the front door. Could this be why he has given a Code 1 on No RCD protection?

 

[Octopus]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I will be using all of this when speaking to the electrician later. One thing that does spring to mind. On my driveway I have a montion sensor activated lamp which comes on when anyone is within the vicinity of the front door. Could this be why he has given a Code 1 on No RCD protection?

I doubt it unlessit has a 13A socket built into it which you can plug your mower into!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Why has the box been ticked for presence of RCDs, then a code 1 been applied for lack of RCD protection?
I'd also question the use of N/A in the boxes for SELV, Electrical separation, Segregation of Band I and Band II and segregation of safety circuits.
I would have thought that the door bell would be SELV and Band I, and the smoke alarm circuit would to my mind be a safety circuit?

 

[High Tower]

It doesent matter mate, if it was wired prior to 2008 its still a code 4. IMO hes missed the unknown circuit as this should be a code 3, requires further investigation. but as i say, only my opinion

 

[darkforces]

I doubt it unlessit has a 13A socket built into it which you can plug your mower into!

Nope it seems the wire comes into the house and is powered from there.

 

[telectrix]

no, he's given the code 1 as a scare tactic to persuade you that the installation is dangerous. according to BS 7671, RCD protection is required on socket outlets <32A for the use of unskilled persons, and for circuits with cables buried in walls < 50mm deep without earthed metallic protection. however, this applies ony to work carried out to current regulations. .it is not retrospective. it shouls only be coded as a code 4 " not compliant with current regs.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I'm thinking that the Electrician might not be registered for Part P, and that the price includes the notification fee.

 

[topquark]

I'm thinking that the Electrician might not be registered for Part P, and that the price includes the notification fee.

That's a good thought, and might explain a lot!

 

[darkforces]

Is the board change on advise of the letting agency that they require all the properties to have RCD protection ?

I know that quite a few uni's and agencies have a stipulation that all properties must have RCD protection, I just wonder if your agency stipulated same, and the sparks was informed of this?

Saying that the 150 pound price for an hours work does seem excessive, and his coding does leave a lot to be desired. Can't make out why he has LIMITED the 2 circuits on the IR test, and still managed to carry out an R1 + R2 on them.

Nope all the agency want is a satisfactory certificate to move tenants in. They have not specified this to me at all.

 

[darkforces]

I'm thinking that the Electrician might not be registered for Part P, and that the price includes the notification fee.

can you explain what part P is please?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Part P, is part of the Building Regulations, that require a lot of electrical work in domestic installations to be notified to Building Control.
For instance a Fuse Box change, most work in a kitchen or bathroom and the provision of a new circuit would require notification to BC.
The notification fees are quite high, although there is an option to use a Part P registered electrician who can then issue a BC compliance certificate (self certification).

 

[telectrix]

part p is a building regulation whereby some work requires notification to your local authority. this is best achieved by employing an electrician registered with a scheme such as napit. without going into a long dissertation, repair work is not notifiable, but jobs like fuse board replacements are. if the sparls is a member of such a scheme, the notification is done through his scheme provider at very small cost. if he's not, then the LABC fee for inspection is prohibitive.

 

[telectrix]

beat me to it, spin.