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yes, but none of them also have to do the level of paperwork and assessments that we do.£150 a day doing self employed day rate labour is poverty level wages unless you're living 3 to a room on beans and toast.
Gavin, I live in the North East and can pick up the phone and get a bricky, sparky, plasterer for £150 a day, is that peasant money everywhere else i the UK?
And they all have their tools.
I'm looking at it from a possible agency pov, IF THE INDUSTRY GOES A CERTAIN WAY, MAYBE 4 OR 5 DAYS WORK A WEEK COULD BE GUARANTEED?
Jaytbaez,
just curious, what do you think is involved with the supply, install of a solar pv system?
And more to the point, what does Jaytbaez think he can offer to the customer that the rest of us can't?
You cannot run a business on £150.00 aday
You can sub-contract to a busineess for that and walk away at night without the hassle.
I would rather work at Tesco
There is lot more to PV than just installing it.
you missed out -I'm no expert, and in no shape or form are claiming to be, but is it, sales visit, survey, materials, install, paperwork, invoice?
you missed out -
design quote, redesign, talk the customer through it, redesign and requote > sale = advance to next stage / no sale = return to start (via marketing, trying to drum up inquiries etc)
paperword, structural calculations, EPC, equipment order, commission, paperwork, invoice, receipt, talk customer through paperwork...
and then don't forget the ongoing warranty liabilities.
all for £150.
as I say it's poverty wages, and you'd not last 3 months if you tried it unless you were actually just subbing for companies who did everything else and could pretty much guarantee you 3-5 days work a week average, which isn't what you've been suggesting.
when prices were at - materials costs weren't -so for every days work you get on a domestic job, you're going to probably have to spend at least a day on average drumming up that business, probably a lot more, and half a day doing paperwork to sign it off, and you want to do that for £150. Frankly either you're having a laugh, or you've not thought this through at all.
But if you didn't have to drum up the business, someone else had, and was just saying, do the 2 days install and the day paperwork, are you saying that £150-200 per day is not enough? I'm not having a laugh at all mate, and not trying to offend, but given that you've just told me its 2 days to do an install and another to do the paperwork, then previously -- I'm sure some punters if they had looked into it would be thinking that profit was having a laugh.
Except more and more punters are now asking themselves, why is an installer wanting to make so much profit on a 3 day job? They will and are looking at ways of doing it themselves or not at all.
I just copied my own post on the thread (Link included), Your idea can not work, not if the customer wants to claim the FIT, it is against the rules, and rightly so in my opinion.
"It is all about a paper trail.
If you are MCS accredited, you can buy the products and then use subcontractors to complete the whole install, because you will have the paper trail from beginning to end, should there be a problem with any of the install the customer would have one point of contact, who is responsible for the whole install.
But you can not sign off a job that somebody else has sourced the equipment and installed it, who would the customer go to if there was a problem? The person who installed it? The person who supplied the equipment? Or the person who signed it off?
If you think about it it makes sense really.
I hope this helps."
Read more: http://www.electriciansforums.net/p...m/59450-sign-off-pv-system.html#ixzz1z7jrdVqG
when prices were at £- materials costs weren't -
I've just checked, and a £- job from last summer that we did had -k of direct equipment costs including VAT, and that was for a relatively standard sharp + SMA 4kW system from last summer.
If you're going to pontificate about this stuff on a public forum could you please try to get your ideas a little closer to reality, because tbh it's coming across as if you're making out that we're all con merchants who're ripping people off. Frankly I resent that sort of accusation especially when it's based on figures that are complete rubbish.
All depends on whether your £150 per day is your wage or whether it's your wage, profit, overheads, insurance, fuel, blah blah blah...
£150 isn't poverty wages if you're guaranteed the work every day, or even most days.£150 a day labour only is poverty...?? take away the insurances and and van etc how much does that cost per year,the average working man has to pay for cars fuel insurance etc just to get to work without the benefits of claiming it back,poverty i dont think so..
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