Gov announce no new petrol or diesel post 2040

[Gavin John Hyde]

Apparently the government are going to announce this week that from 2040 no new diesel or petrol vehicles will be allowed to be sold in the UK. sounds good in theory but can't see it working too well.

Now am i the only one who thinks if everybody plugs there car into the grid to charge then the grid will simply collapse, it will break under the demand of all those vehicles being charged.

You can install as many solar arrays and turbines as you like but you do not need to be Einstein to realise that the DNO's are barely managing now and we keep hearing how we need new power stations.

Making the cars and developing batteries is coming along well, but you need the infrastructure!

Will be great for electricians though with all them charging points to install. I think the £500 OLEV grants for putting a charging point in at home when you buy a new electric vehicle will quickly disappear mind.

only 8195 days until no more engines then...

 

[danzor]

I'll stick to my horse

 

[Octopus]

Can't imagine it will be an issue for me ...

But seriously, about 90% of journeys are less than 10 miles ..... So electric makes some sense ...... But with the drop in tax revenues, what will they tax next?

 

[Strima]

Watch the OLEV grant drop significantly same as the FIT did.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Can't imagine it will be an issue for me ...

But seriously, about 90% of journeys are less than 10 miles ..... So electric makes some sense ...... But with the drop in tax revenues, what will they tax next?

Ah high road tax to deter journeys and no doubt we will get a levy on electric supplies to upgrade the new network. Not that it will be spent on that mind. Also seen ideas floated about congestion charges and levys on busy roads. Either way they will take our cash

 

[snowhead]

They don't propose banning Hybrids.
They'll be far more electric cars by then.
People and Companies will hold on to their existing ones in 2040, subject to the polution tax not being excessive.

Hinckley point and other new nuclear power will be onstream by then.

The grid won't collapse, there is already an idea to use the capacity stored in electric cars to boost the grid, short term, at peak times.
Car chargers will be either Smart or under the control of the Grid to spread out the demand.

 

[johnduffell]

If it was tomorrow, I'd worry the grid wouldn't cope, but I'd have thought the dnos could pull their fingers out some time within the next 22 years and get more capacity.

If the worst comes to the worst they can just get some massive diesel generators and put them at the end of everyone's roads to cope with peak demand...

 

[sparkdog]

Probably not worth fixing my van then.

 

[PEG]

Not worried...years ago,i coupled a tread-wheel generator,to a power source,we are never far from,is free,and continuous.

...So i will continue,to power my home,charge my vehicle,and export excess to the grid,with my rats-in-a wheel-generator

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Does this apply to motorcycles?

 

[telectrix]

just awaiting the advent of the electric 34 ton artic. 33 of the tons would be batteries, which would take 3 weeks to charge.

 

[Squid]

I'll stick to my horse

It not about members love lives.

In 2040 I will fully embrace EV's as I can just see myself rolling on one of these.....

 

[PEG]

Easy...merely pass a law,that all exercise bikes,in gyms across the country,are to be coupled to mini generators,all feeding in to the grid.

Similar,compulsory arrangements are made,in prisons,schools,doctors waiting rooms.etc
Obviously,short-falls in generation,are made up from purpose built factories,using my rats-in-a-wheel idea...

I really cannot understand,how i have got to 52 years of age,without subsequent governments,over the years,head-hunting my talents for an energy commission minister...

 

[Andy78]

Does this apply to motorcycles?

Embrace the future ....

 

[Squid]

BMW have a vision........

 

[telectrix]

BMW have a vision........

bet it sounds crap though.

 

[Squid]

bet it sounds crap though.

Get a beer can sound module fitted...... Warka Strong for the deeper sound,

 

[Squid]

Or you get Michael Winslow riding the bike.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Well this change will come before i retire so i can see myself going to jobs like this...

 

[static zap]

LPG , or am I thinking gas turbine !

 

[Midwest]

I don't give a s***t, I'll be 83 by then. At least when I'm sat on the bench, with me bottle shouting at the traffic, the drivers of these electric vehicles, will hear my profanities

 

[StephenRowley]

Its non policy so they can pretend to doing something while doing nothing.

 

[Andy-1960]

I'm gonna get a stocking great diesel generator to charge my clean electric car!!!

 

[PEG]

Stop flapping,you lot,here in Mcr,we invent for fun...by then i'll have a Graphene 4 x 4 electric Patrol...that will do 450 miles just by rubbing two kittens together...

NB: No actual kittens were hurt,during the formation of this analogy.

 

[snowhead]

Kittens???

Bahh, I'll do 1000miles with 2 mice..

 

[JK-Electrical]

I will most likely have long departed this mortal coil by 2040 so am not going to be affected. I'm much more interested in how much the government will bribe me with to scrap my 10 year-old Astravan. I'm not accepting a penny less than two grand. If they offer me a lousy grand as is expected, then I will continue to pollute the Glasgow air until my van dies a natural death.

I do wonder what devious plans the bean counters in the Treasury will devise so to offset the loss of fuel duty revenue which currently nets the robbing bar stewards £27.6 billion per annum.

 

[HandySparks]

If the worst comes to the worst they can just get some massive diesel generators and put them at the end of everyone's roads to cope with peak demand...

Buy Aggreko!

 

[buzzlightyear]

got me one of these order just in case .

 

[Dave OCD]

Buzz for goodness sake stop being so ridiculous, this is the 21st century, I'm ordering one of these.

 

[buzzlightyear]

ok, this might do then.

 

[Dave OCD]

That looks more the sort of thing Tel or Pete would swan around in.

 

[Octopus]

Does this apply to motorcycles?

Yup - remove the engine and hey presto you have a cycle.....................

 

[Octopus]

Probably not worth fixing my van then.

You planning to keep it 22 more years....................

 

[buzzlightyear]

yeah motor

remove the engine and hey presto you have a cycle.....................

yeah, or motor cycle

 

[freddo]

2040?! Hopefully I'll be dead and buried by then...

 

[buzzlightyear]

2040?! Hopefully I'll be dead and buried by then...

me to, unless they clone me to this.

dolly the sheep.

 

[static zap]

me to, unless they clone me to this.View attachment 37551

Best guard you moobs !

 

[sparkdog]

Should be alright with a bit of Waxoyl & WD40.

 

[a-z electrics]

I drive a 100% electric Nissan van... It works for me as I only do local jobs anyway, up to 20 miles away. Apart from low running costs and pollution free, it's 100% tax deductible too
On the Electricity demand side, it's mostly charged overnight at home so cheaper rate used and not much demand on the grid between 1 - 6am..

 

[PEG]

I drive a 100% electric Nissan van... It works for me as I only do local jobs anyway, up to 20 miles away. Apart from low running costs and pollution free, it's 100% tax deductible too
On the Electricity demand side, it's mostly charged overnight at home so cheaper rate used and not much demand on the grid between 1 - 6am..

Cheers for the input,but it is not "pollution free"...not if it has been constructed with processed plastic,metals,paint,glues,fabric,oils and greases,and uses or requires electric charging generated by conventional means. Let us not forget the decommissioning of the several battery packs it should use during it's life cycle...then the vehicle itself....

In truth,the only truly pollution free part,is the travelling done,in between charges...if it does not leak any oil from it's gearbox

 

[a-z electrics]

Cheers for the input,but it is not "pollution free"...not if it has been constructed with processed plastic,metals,paint,glues,fabric,oils and greases,and uses or requires electric charging generated by conventional means. Let us not forget the decommissioning of the several battery packs it should use during it's life cycle...then the vehicle itself....

In truth,the only truly pollution free part,is the travelling done,in between charges...if it does not leak any oil from it's gearbox

surely that's the important part... Due to the fact it kills people and wildlife? and it doesnt have a gearbox, so no leaks.. batteries etc are recycled, our lungs arent.

 

[sparksburnout]

Peg makes a very good point that is often overlooked in my opinion. These electric vehicles are not quite as pollution free as they are made out to be - I saw one the other day that had a "0% pollution" badge on it, what rubbish! And the batteries are full of really nasty chemicals that will have to be disposed of somehow?? The thing that makes me titter though, is the fact that apparently, 72% of motorway "breakdowns" are Burks running out of fuel. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when they have to charge the car every time? We will need at least 2 hard shoulders.

 

[Midwest]

Peg makes a very good point that is often overlooked in my opinion. These electric vehicles are not quite as pollution free as they are made out to be - I saw one the other day that had a "0% pollution" badge on it, what rubbish! And the batteries are full of really nasty chemicals that will have to be disposed of somehow?? The thing that makes me titter though, is the fact that apparently, 72% of motorway "breakdowns" are Burks running out of fuel. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when they have to charge the car every time? We will need at least 2 hard shoulders.

Jes', your back sparksburnout. Better dig out my copy of Oxford Dictionary

 

[sparksburnout]

Jes', your back sparksburnout. Better dig out my copy of Oxford Dictionary

You see, straight in already. You're back, not your back. Come on George I'll be keeping a close eye on you in particular.

 

[Midwest]

You see, straight in already. You're back, not your back. Come on George I'll be keeping a close eye on you in particular.

You can sea how fare standards have drooped, since you're recent enforced sabbatical.

 

[PEG]

surely that's the important part... Due to the fact it kills people and wildlife? and it doesnt have a gearbox, so no leaks.. batteries etc are recycled, our lungs arent.

Hi dude,i apologise,i should have said,if it leaks any oil from it's four mode single speed automatic gearbox...which it is fitted with

I'm not having a pop...just proving how easy these eco-myths are formed.

I do not doubt that at some stage,you were told,or lead to believe,it had no gearbox...it sounds kind of understandable,but drive-trains,regenerative braking,hill start assist,etc all require a means of transmission.

It is the same story when folk are told,there is no pollution.

A slightly more thorough investigation,reveals the full story

 

[Bobster]

Producing Lithium cells puts out far more harmful gasses into the environment than producing and running an normal petrol car. Coupled with the fact they need replacing quite often. (I'm not exactly sure if my memory is correct here, but I'm sure I read a 7 year lifespan.)

Even catalytic converters produce more pollution in manufacture than they save from the cars output over a 20 year life.

Guess what though, both are not made in this country. So who cares...

 

[Flanders]

Is it not the point to remove pollution from our towns and city's , I do agree that with electric vehicle you are not preventing pollution its just going elsewhere .
I was walking past a taxi rank the other day, all had there engines running and I found it very unpleasant and thought this can't be good for my lungs
So in summery if we get all electric vehicles the planet will still be destroyed but we will be able to breathe fresh air in our towns and city's until it does.

 

[Midwest]

Well at some point (well past my sell by), we'll run out of fossil fuels and will be needing some other form of sustainable fuel (got my money on plutonium-powered nuclear fission reactor).

Ps Feeling a bit uneasy with my multiple use of well, will etc, sparksburnout and all that

 

[sparksburnout]

Is it not the point to remove pollution from our towns and city's , I do agree that with electric vehicle you are not preventing pollution its just going elsewhere .
I was walking past a taxi rank the other day, all had there engines running and I found it very unpleasant and thought this can't be good for my lungs
So in summery if we get all electric vehicles the planet will still be destroyed but we will be able to breathe fresh air in our towns and city's until it does.

I personally find it quite irritating when people just sit in their cars and leave the engine running, often for no obvious reason. I bet this alone causes loads of totally unnecessary pollution.