Help pricing 3 bed rewire please

[mr_deep_]

Hi All - Hope you all had a good Christmas!

I have just recently started my own business and struggle to price work as never had anything to do with that side of things in the past.

Job is to Rewire a 3 bed Detached house

Attic - New radial circuit with 2 sockets. 2 lighting points with 1 two way switch (to first floor landing) - (Attic fully boarded)

1st floor -
3 bedrooms each with 3 new chased twin sockets. Each with 1 lighting point and 1 switch. Main bedroom to have wardrobe lighting point with single switch (chased). 2 bedrooms to have Switched fused spur + install ring camera back entry to external wall.

Bathroom - 1 lighting point 1 switch, 1x 12v outlet (from lighting circuit) 1 extract via 3 pole isolator

Hallway - 1 new wall light with 1 way switch. Landing light with 2 way switch to ground floor. 1 twin socket (chased).

Mid staircase- New twin socket


Ground floor

Hallway - 1 twin socket chased. 4 spot lights. 2 way switching (hallway and living room).

Downstairs bathroom - 1 lighting point (1 switch). 1 extract via 3 pole isolator. 1x 12v shaver socket via lighting circuit.
Shower circuit via DP isolator.

Store room - 2 twin sockets (in stud wall). Lighting point (1 switch)

Living room - 7 twin sockets (chased). 2 lighting points (2 separate switches). Switched fused spur.

Garage - 3 sockets, 2 lights and 3 switch drops (intermediate switching) (sockets and switches in 20mm pvc conduit approx 12m to instal).
New fuse board + Test and certification. (Gas and water 10mm earth bonding already present).
No works in kitchen as is an extension and cable readings were satisfactory.

House completely empty - 1 man and 1 labourer to complete works

Any input feedback would be greatly appreciated ??

I do a drawing if that help

 

[Mike Johnson]

I have read the 10 mins per point on here before, does anyone really think it takes that long, to cut and strip three or even six cables and screw then into a socket or switch, I am interested because I have timed myself and wondered if anyone else has?

Before anyone answers if they don't time themselves, just sit down for ten minutes doing nothing and see how bored you get.

 

[Dustydazzler]

The 10 min thing is probsbly about correct , once you factor in cleaning out the box , cutting & stripping cables , terminating cables , screw back & level , sweep up then pick up stuff and move to the next point.
(not to mention taking a swig of tea and checking Facebook 4 times)

 

[telectrix]

used to be about 10 mins. 2nd fix a point for me. these days it's more like 20. 15 for the work itself and 5 for a smoke between points.

 

[Pete999]

used to be about 10 mins. 2nd fix a point for me. these days it's more like 20. 15 for the work itself and 5 for a smoke between points.

Work interrupting yer smoke breaks Tel?

 

[telectrix]

one thing i like about the 450mm min. socket height is that i can fix sitting down on toolbox, instead of going on knees to grub about close to floor.

 

[telectrix]

Work interrupting yer smoke breaks Tel?

even worse with beer breaks. a pint takes about 15 minutes to enjoy properly.

 

[mr_deep_]

I have read the 10 mins per point on here before, does anyone really think it takes that long, to cut and strip three or even six cables and screw then into a socket or switch, I am interested because I have timed myself and wondered if anyone else has?

Before anyone answers if they don't time themselves, just sit down for ten minutes doing nothing and see how bored you get.

I just made that up - is it actually a thing? Just thinking on average - Considering some points are outside lights, 10mm shower isolator and 5ft fittings to put up..

 

[Mike Johnson]

Ten minutes per point used for pricing means that in a four hour day you can fix twenty four points, but is not a real world fixing time, the only thing that could delay a fixing time to anywhere near that would be a break out cable outlet thats left jagged edges and needs extra work to make the exit smooth. IMO

 

[Dustydazzler]

I’ve never really looked at rewires as a time per point exercise, just as a whole job and rough times to achieve each phase of the job...

mew builds regularly did per point as they tend to be painting by numbers so once you do the first unit you know exactly how long each unit should take

rewires vary dramatically and no two are ever the same

if you are really struggling to get pricing right on day work I tend to say £1250 a weeks Labour and you can’t go too far wrong

 

[mr_deep_]

I’ve never really looked at rewires as a time per point exercise, just as a whole job and rough times to achieve each phase of the job...

mew builds regularly did per point as they tend to be painting by numbers so once you do the first unit you know exactly how long each unit should take

rewires vary dramatically and no two are ever the same

if you are really struggling to get pricing right on day work I tend to say £1250 a weeks Labour and you can’t go too far wrong

Is that to cover you and your apprentice / mate?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Is that to cover you and your apprentice / mate?

1 electrician on their own

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I'm 61 years old rewire done in 2 weeks
That's be me self. I could teach you a things or two.. Lol.

I reckon you probably could Buzz ?

 

[telectrix]

I reckon you probably could Buzz ?

but excluding spelling and grammar.???

 

[7029 dave]

So many factors need taking into account on rewires, is it occupied/ unoccupied, decoration, wiring methods.

 

[telectrix]

So many factors need taking into account on rewires, is it occupied/ unoccupied, decoration, wiring methods.

and whether the nearest pub is within walking distance. ?

 

[7029 dave]

and whether the nearest pub is within walking distance. ?

No drinking these days think of H&S. Bet old Fred would still have a guzzle.

 

[telectrix]

No drinking these days think of H&S. Bet old Fred would still have a guzzle.

good old Fred. what a character. I've seen his backyard steam workshop in Bolton and have a set of DVDs - all his TV shows.

R.I.P.

 

[mr_deep_]

So many factors need taking into account on rewires, is it occupied/ unoccupied, decoration, wiring methods.

Good point Dave - How do we alter prices for a fully furnished house to an empty 1. Would you alter the price per point?

 

[telectrix]

Good point Dave - How do we alter prices for a fully furnished house to an empty 1. Would you alter the price per point?

if it's occupied and full of furniture, take you original price and add 50% minimum.

 

[mr_deep_]

if it's occupied and full of furniture, take you original price and add 50% minimum.

Wow! That would then be £75 - £85 per point then..

 

[DefyG]

Too risky, you get Mrs #### afterwards moaning the carpet is puckered up in one room or the table has been knocked or damaged (probably was before hand if truth be known!) etc etc.
So much more hassle in an occupied property!

 

[Dustydazzler]

Empty house just your normal rate , occupied house where you have to be continuously moving furniture and lifting carpets etc I would be similar to Tel , add 50% to the quote.
the times wasted shunting heavy furniture about soon adds up...

 

[loz2754]

Too risky, you get Mrs #### afterwards moaning the carpet is puckered up in one room or the table has been knocked or damaged (probably was before hand if truth be known!) etc etc.
So much more hassle in an occupied property!

I don't quote for occupied rewires anymore. Leave it to the young 'uns.
But when I did, I worked out the price as if it was unoccupied, then added 50 percent on top.

 

[7029 dave]

Too risky, you get Mrs #### afterwards moaning the carpet is puckered up in one room or the table has been knocked or damaged (probably was before hand if truth be known!) etc etc.
So much more hassle in an occupied property!

That's why most wont touch them today, it was my bread and butter in the 80's.

 

[mattg4321]

We only do ‘occupied rewires’ if the customer goes away for a holiday etc for a week or two. Even then we do very few. Lots of hassle.

 

[7029 dave]

Good point Dave - How do we alter prices for a fully furnished house to an empty 1. Would you alter the price per point?

Its what your happy with, ie gauging how long its going to take, then price to that.

 

[buzzlightyear]

We only do ‘occupied rewires’ if the customer goes away for a holiday etc for a week or two we start looking through the nickers draw . . so their is less of hassle with out being caught out .

wow . bad boy .lol

 

[Dustydazzler]

wow . bad boy .lol

it’s when you start trying it on the fun really begins

 

[7029 dave]

Ha ha, reminds me we were doing a big rewire in Hertfordshire moving furniture to get carpets up etc lol the top draw fell open onto the floor, all rude things were in it, she was very posh too.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Ha ha, reminds me we were doing a big rewire in Hertfordshire moving furniture to get carpets up etc lol the top draw fell open onto the floor, all rude things were in it, she was very posh too.

the posh ones are usually the most kinky ones ... grrrr