3/5/13 Amp Fuses For Plugs And Fused Spurs...

[OnlQQker]

As most people really don't have an understanding of electricity whatsoever, and the amount of times I have come across the wrong size fuse in a plug or FCU.

I don't know but surely this should be addressed somehow.

Moulded plugs are all good as well on the new table lamp somebody has just purchased, but one day the fuse blows and a 13amp one is most of the time shoved back in.

Seems rather a deadly issue to me!

Just thinking out loud again.

 

[telectrix]

some numpty takes out a 3A fuse and replaces with a 13A. BOOM ...... Darwinism strikes again.

 

[Moley]

I agree. I have a friend (okay, hard to believe but it's true) that blew a 3A fuse in a plug. They replaced it with a 13A as 'I thought the higher number would be better'. I know some items come with little stickers on the plug giving the fuse size but how many people read that. But, apart from different physical sized fuses that will only fit into plugs for that size fuse, what can be done?

 

[telectrix]

But, apart from different physical sized fuses that will only fit into plugs for that size fuse, what can be done?

but we don't want firefighters on the dole through lack of work, do we?

 

[7029 dave]

some numpty takes out a 3A fuse and replaces with a 13A. BOOM ...... Darwinism strikes again.

Or some numpty puts a 3A fuse in a kettle or toaster pouf.

 

[Moley]

Or some numpty puts a 3A fuse in a kettle or toaster pouf.

Or wraps some foil around a blown fuse??

 

[7029 dave]

Or wraps some foil around a blown fuse??

Yep lol I was gonnar say that.

 

[Mike Johnson]

But, apart from different physical sized fuses that will only fit into plugs for that size fuse, what can be done?

That is a good idea, just think of all the work you can get changing every plug in your own house let alone in everyone else's, or would everyone just keep on using 13amp Hmmmm assuming they where the bigger size, no another thought make 13amp the smallest size so it does not fit the existing plugs, force change and built in obsolescence, now we are getting somewhere.

 

[Moley]

Right, we just need to get the London fire brigade to suggest it ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Do you mean that organisation that allowed a flammable material to be used as cladding on a tower block.

 

[Moley]

That's the boys. They seem pretty good at getting plastic changed to metal though.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I think you have that backwards, the original design called for metal cladding with non flammable insulation between it and the building, the local authority and fire officer allowed the change which ultimately led to the disaster, no one learnt anything from the Oraglass incident at the Theme Park, think it was on the Isle of White.

 

[pc1966]

Not much can be done that has not already been done. Appliances have labels saying what fuse to use, the fuses are labelled and usually colour-coded as well, and 5 min on any web browser will pull up all you need to know about fuse ratings for all levels of knowledge. Not to mention the blindingly obvious of getting an electrician's help.

And yet idiots will be idiots. And I mean it. Not lack of knowledge, but an almost wilful attempt to avoid learning or accepting any answer that is not what they wanted to hear.

Sadly that goes far beyond the question of what replacement fuse to use.

 

[loz2754]

I think you have that backwards, the original design called for metal cladding with non flammable insulation between it and the building, the local authority and fire officer allowed the change which ultimately led to the disaster, no one learnt anything from the Oraglass incident at the Theme Park, think it was on the Isle of White.

That's the boys. They seem pretty good at getting plastic changed to metal though.

I think this referred to the change from plastic to metal consumer units...

 

[Mike Johnson]

Ah I was on a different tack altogether.

 

[Moley]

Ah I was on a different tack altogether.

You were sat on a drawing pin?

 

[Lister1987]

Its been raised numerous times with manufacturers to just provide them without fuses, you'd think they'd go for it as it saves them Dosh bit no

 

[Moley]

Its been raised numerous times with manufacturers to just provide them without fuses, you'd think they'd go for it as it saves them Dosh bit no

That would mean that people would just buy one size, 13A, and fit them to everything from the start.

 

[Moley]

Off on a tangent, what's the point of the plastic plug cover over the pins that's supplied with every new appliance? Straight into landfill once the item is unboxed.

 

[pc1966]

Off on a tangent, what's the point of the plastic plug cover over the pins that's supplied with every new appliance? Straight into landfill once the item is unboxed.

I think it is to stop the plug scoring the appliance when in the box, even though some boxes have nice separate areas to keep the cable & plug safe.

 

[GBDamo]

Do you mean that organisation that allowed a flammable material to be used as cladding on a tower block.

I disagree, the brigade no longer have the authority they once did.

Their sign off is little more than a paper exercise and a cursory once over these days so as long as you put a compliant spec in front of them they sign it off.

The dilution of the brigades role in fire worthiness inspecting has been a long, steady and slow affair to the point now I doubt very much they have sufficient expertise to carry out the role they once did.

Its how it seems to me anyhow.

 

[Lister1987]

I think you have that backwards, the original design called for metal cladding with non flammable insulation between it and the building, the local authority and fire officer allowed the change which ultimately led to the disaster, no one learnt anything from the Oraglass incident at the Theme Park, think it was on the Isle of White.

https://g.co/kgs/JmVKtA

A quick Google for those (like me) that don't know of the disaster, fire startedby kids discarded cigs,fuel fuelled greatly by the building materials

The local authority/fire officer allowing the change isn't exactly fair, it was Arconis that gave (or didn't as the case was,) updated test results from EU tests showing the Reybond PE (iirc) was in fact utter rubbish in terms of Fire Safety and because this information was withheld, the LA/FO acted on information at the time, which gave the material a better fire safety rating than it had and because of this no-one questioned it.

 

[telectrix]

Or wraps some foil around a blown fuse??

what's wrong with a 1" piece of 6.0mm screwd rod. -- perfect fit.

 

[Lister1987]

what's wrong with a 1" piece of 6.0mm screwd rod. -- perfect fit.

Foil is cheaper, they can reuse the discarded foil from thier heroin prep ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

I disagree, the brigade no longer have the authority they once did.

Their sign off is little more than a paper exercise and a cursory once over these days so as long as you put a compliant spec in front of them they sign it off.

The dilution of the brigades role in fire worthiness inspecting has been a long, steady and slow affair to the point now I doubt very much they have sufficient expertise to carry out the role they once did
Its how it seems to me anyhow.

That's the point, at planning stage the fire brigade still have the responsibility to sign off the compliance to the regulations of the materials to be used and specified in the application, the specification of the cladding did not conform to the requirement of flame spread and has since been changed on a number of other tower blocks because of this.

 

[GBDamo]

I think you have that backwards, the original design called for metal cladding with non flammable insulation between it and the building, the local authority and fire officer allowed the change which ultimately led to the disaster, no one learnt anything from the Oraglass incident at the Theme Park, think it was on the Isle of White.

They allowed changes based on the advice given by the manufacturers, contractors and designers that it would still be compliant.

I would love the brigade to have the teeth it once had but it has been defanged, intentionally and for profit.

 

[GBDamo]

That's the point, at planning stage the fire brigade still have the responsibility to sign off the compliance to the regulations of the materials to be used and specified in the application, the specification of the cladding did not conform to the requirement of flame spread and has since been changed on a number of other tower blocks because of this.

My understanding was that it did comply but did not perform as specified because the test data had been fiddled.

Could be wrong, I'll have a Google, be right back.

 

[telectrix]

Foil is cheaper, they can reuse the discarded foil from thier heroin prep ?

but would the foil be able to cope with the load demanded by the cannabis plants growing in the attic?

 

[GBDamo]

Its the Gruniad so hold your nose...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/16/fire-test-for-grenfell-foam-cladding-panels-was-rigged-admits-ex-employee&ved=2ahUKEwijh8S9zf3tAhV5ThUIHeg6BQUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1lxBcxDf5Jro-ZIIWdN2Dk&ampcf=1

 

[Moley]

what's wrong with a 1" piece of 6.0mm screwd rod. -- perfect fit.

What if they only have 1/4" rod?