50 year old radial sockets at floor level

[electrician4u]

I dont see the point of some half-ased rewire that wont allow wall chases , ring mains , and reuses old socket positions in skirting ???
Its either done to current standards or walk , to be quite blunt.

can't chase the walls cos it's a listed building, minitrunking very difficult cos doors everywhere and conduit too tight for 2 T & E's .maybe could pull 6 2.5's but doubtful

 

[electrician4u]

The minimum height of sockets/switches is a recommendation in Part M of the building Regulations covering use of buildings, it is not part of the wiring regulations. Part M states that the minimum height is not applicable to extensions or change of use of dwellings.
If you can raise the sockets within the space of the skirting board and fill/ board beneath them this may be a good thing but you do not need to go to 450mm.

Thanks for clarifying that.I've just found it in the OSG that it doesn't apply to re-wires.that should be in BOLD TYPE-it matters!

 

[electrician4u]

Do you have a copy of the Regs? If so what do they say? Are you Part P compliant - I guess you are as you advertise as an NICEIC Domestic Installer and an Approved contractor - so do the Building Regs apply in this situation?

That's not me, bud.that website is someone else.yes i do have regs but to save me trawling through them, I thought, I know, I'll ask those pleasant chaps on electriansforum to save some time

 

[trev]

can't chase the walls cos it's a listed building,

So how do they manage on Grand Designs? Lots of listed buildings on there with chased wiring

 

[Swicade]

I'd be tempted to try drilling a big hole (20mm masonary bit) down behind the skirting for cable run and mount sockets just above the skirting.....works well for upstairs circuits but only possible downstairs if there's wooden and not concrete flooring.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

So how do they manage on Grand Designs? Lots of listed buildings on there with chased wiring

A special clause in the 17th appendix - relating to the Kevin McCloud or Connor McCloud of the McCloud clan and the quickening, and they're family being exempt from normal reasoning.

Or presentation skills

 

[Strima]

can't chase the walls cos it's a listed building,

I wish I'd have known that before now, the amount of old plaster I've chucked in the skip...

 

[electrician4u]

So how do they manage on Grand Designs? Lots of listed buildings on there with chased wiring

I won't dignify that with a response

 

[trev]

Allow me to rephrase it then. There are many hundreds, probably thousands, of listed buildings up and down the country, I've had the privilege of working in a few. I have never heard of a rule which prohibits chasing walls, could you point me in the direction of it please

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I won't dignify that with a response[/QUOTE]

You have done!

sorry it's just something that always amuses me so I have to respond electrician4u. Apologies in advance!

 

[Guest55]

I have never heard of a rule which prohibits chasing walls, could you point me in the direction of it please

There isnt any.
i've done a rewire of a grade 2 listed cottege - we beat the crap out of it during first fix.

 

[shocking_eg]

depends on the building. we've worked on a grade II 350 year old cottage with plaster and larve walls in which all wiring had to be surface and no holes drilled through the main structure.

 

[electrician4u]

Allow me to rephrase it then. There are many hundreds, probably thousands, of listed buildings up and down the country, I've had the privilege of working in a few. I have never heard of a rule which prohibits chasing walls, could you point me in the direction of it please

it's on a housing Estate in a block of flats. I was informed by their head office that the buildings were listed and chasing was not allowed

 

[electrician4u]

But if there is more than 1 socket then you will need to pull 2 x 2.5 twin and earth cables up the conduit.

why would i need to pull up 2 T & E's if there's more than 1 socket for a radial circuit?

 

[shocking_eg]

Just rewire in singles

 

[Darkwood]

Just a case of Cart Leading Horse..... their are a lot of head strong customers out there that think they can dictate and get their own way regardless of the reg's you have to follow... its just a matter of expressing requirements and where you can make allowances due to the listing of a building if that be the case.


Golden rule.... dont let the customer dictate the job they should only give what they prefer and not demand ... if its means you can't meet cuurent regs then you need to evaluate whether it will impact the safety of the installation and if it does not then a deviation from the reg's can be called under certain situations... i.e listed building etc

 

[Darkwood]

why would i need to pull up 2 T & E's if there's more than 1 socket for a radial circuit?

Can't believe you just ask that, if a radial of sockets has more than 1 outlet the all the socket before the last one will have 2 x t&e at them..... or have i misread your response ?

 

[cbw]

why would i need to pull up 2 T & E's if there's more than 1 socket for a radial circuit?

Thankyou for this post....can go to bed with a smile on my face!!!!

Junction box to junction box is not good!

 

[electrician4u]

Can't believe you just ask that, if a radial of sockets has more than 1 outlet the all the socket before the last one will have 2 x t&e at them..... or have i misread your response ?

but you won't have 2 T & E's in the same conduit! you'll have 2 T & E's in the same connection box, but that's not what the guy said! one goes one way, one goes the other!!

 

[electrician4u]

why would i need to pull up 2 T & E's if there's more than 1 socket for a radial circuit?

Thankyou for this post....can go to bed with a smile on my face!!!!

Junction box to junction box is not good!

Eh? how else would you wire a radial circuit? you're joking, right?

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Eh? how else would you wire a radial circuit? you're joking, right?

To and from each socket!!

 

[electric will]

So your going to run radial to many junction boxes under floor, then spur aff these up your conduit and into te socket?

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Spur off these. I ment

 

[Des 56]

E4u is saying a pipe feeds a socket and another pipe feeds the next,if that's so he will be pulling one 2,5 mm ( but as I said earlier a 4.0mm would be just as easy)

 

[electrician4u]

So your going to run radial to many junction boxes under floor, then spur aff these up your conduit and into te socket?

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Spur off these. I ment

It's very simple.The conduit runs from the CU to each socket backbox.there's 4 sockets on the circuit. there's no juntion boxes. this is a 50 year old installation.

 

[electric will]

I see, 2 lengths of conduit to each socket?

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Go for singles, pulled using flex draw tape and some yellow77.

 

[Knobhead]

It’s about time the plug was pulled on this fantasy thread. That’s if anyone can bend down low enough to reach the socket!

 

[1shortcircuit]

I predict a Moderator arrival very soon

:thumbsup

 

[Dan]

Thread temporarily closed by request. I'll leave it to the mods here to discuss whether it should be reopened.