Approved tradesmen scheme

[ipf]

You cant make the 18th a closed book exam, nobody can digest the whole book lol

Chew on that, eh?
Too thick for me, too.

 

[rewireIT]

"Part P" registered (?) (so glad it's not a thing in Scotland)

So what is the script in Scotland if you want to do domestic work? No notifying?

 

[HappyHippyDad]

They just don't operate under the scheme anymore. All the cowboys who were allowed on before 2021 have lifetime access.

I'm one of those cowboys

Again for some reason we're equating not telling someone you've done work with potential danger. Why? Why would 'danger and problems result' from not notifying?

Even though you sound quite annoying you've got an interesting point ;-)

I thought about that today. Its really to do with the reason for notifying work and I'm embarrassed to say I'm not sure what that reason is.

I guess the notification system may somewhat decrease builders from carrying out major electrical work as they would be worried about the consequences of getting caught (my builder feels this way).

Perhaps it also encourages the installer to do a good job and not cut corners, as if the work has been notified it may be used as your assessment. If you don't notify it, some may become a little blasé as there's zero chance of anyone checking.

I'm clutching at straws a little though.

 

[davesparks]

If every spark said 'No, this is stupid and i'm not doing it. Let's see you police it, LOL.' they would HAVE to put sensible rules in place.

Who are 'they'?

And they wouldn't 'HAVE' to put different rules in place. Government and local authorities would more likely set up a marketing campaign pushing the importance of part P and notification to customers.
And you'd probably get a lot of customers not paying their bills because the lack of notification has prevented their job getting an LABC completion certificate.

IMO the qualifications should be 18th, NVQ, AM2, and full testing and inspection.

You're missing the most important thing, proven experience. A journeyman type system would be far better. Originally the JIB gradings achieved something of this nature but that has somewhat fallen by the wayside.

Once you have those you should be able to touch any install you like without having to pay because passing them proves you know how to do electrics safely.

Those qualifications are not enough to touch any install you like or to prove that you know how to do it safely.
Those qualifications would probably cover you for domestic and light/medium (non-specialist) commercial installations.

 

[davesparks]

The only thing i would change about this is i would make the 18th test an actual test of your knowledge on the regs and not just a 'can you find it in the book' exercise.

What would be the point of that?

An exam which assesses your ability to memorise nearly 600 A4 pages of text has no bearing on a persons ability as an electrician. You'd almost certainly drive out a lot of good electricians and end up with an industry full of people with great memories and lacking practical skills.

 

[rewireIT]

What would be the point of that?

An exam which assesses your ability to memorise nearly 600 A4 pages of text has no bearing on a persons ability as an electrician. You'd almost certainly drive out a lot of good electricians and end up with an industry full of people with great memories and lacking practical skills.

Yeah see other posts in this thread regarding your point.

 

[rewireIT]

Those qualifications are not enough to touch any install you like or to prove that you know how to do it safely.
Those qualifications would probably cover you for domestic and light/medium (non-specialist) commercial installations.

Are you purposefully pedantic just to be a contrarian?

I think it has to go without saying i wasn't insinuating that you could do your 18th, I+T and AM2 and then go out working on HV set ups or anything like that.

If you pass said quals you absolutely should be deemed qualified to touch anything domestic small commercial. If not then it's the quals that should be improved and upgraded. What would be the point of them otherwise? What shouldn't happen is people say what you say and then tell you they can cure it with a £500 payment to NAPIT. That's like when they still let me drive my car in the ULEZ and then pretend they've stopped my pollution because i paid them £12.50. It's nonsense.

 

[davesparks]

Well no but you could instead for example have it as a part of the AM2 where you are given a made up customer spec and made to install it to regs, proving you know practical application of 7671.

'Customer wants upstairs and downstairs sockets and lighting, outside lighting, power to an outbuilding powering X circuits, a cooker, a shower, and a hive system for heating/hot water.'

So you'd reduce the AM2 down to a simple exam in domestic work without even a basic 3 phase circuit?

 

[loz2754]

So you'd reduce the AM2 down to a simple exam in domestic work without even a basic 3 phase circuit?

There is indeed now such a thing as AM2D. For domestic only.

 

[loz2754]

I often think about jacking it all in because of all this crap. But I don't know what I'd do instead. I love my job. I just want to be allowed to do it and respected enough to not to have jump through so many hoops, just to line the pockets of the politicians and rule makers.