Are you sure its 43.3p? DECC say otherwise

[earyzhe]

What a Joke! Who's going to risk that!

 

[jupestar]

What a Joke! Who's going to risk that!

Sorry i was joking, don't want to make this situation any more confusing.

My understanding is that the proposal to make EPC is still standing, and i've not heard any update so as it stands yes properties will c-rated or above. I hope someone is appealing against it, and i hope it changes.

 

[SRE]

There's no confirmation about the C rating - it was in the consultation but the government haven't yet published the result of the consultation - that's due before 9th February. There seems to be a view from some people that the government were open to negotiation about the c rating but until they publish we're not going to know.

So the next few days will be spent sweating about what's happening in April. Will it be 21p and a C rating? Will it be 16p and you'll need to make sure the house is well insulated before you install - we'll just have to wait a bit longer.

 

[Gavin A]

If the C rating proposal gets binned either entirely or in favour of the green deal options, or a watered down version, I'd hope a few who've been laying in to BPVA of late will have cause for a bit of a rethink as this measure has been BPVA's major campaigning focus since the consultation started. Rightly IMO.

 

[moggy1968]

why would I support an opportunist middle eastern entrepreneur (or any other foreign entrpreneur) who has come over here to make a fast buck and then shoot off back to his dubiously run country?
Appologies if my facts are incorrect on that but thats how I see it.

 

[SolarCity]

If the C rating proposal gets binned either entirely or in favour of the green deal options, or a watered down version, I'd hope a few who've been laying in to BPVA of late will have cause for a bit of a rethink as this measure has been BPVA's major campaigning focus since the consultation started. Rightly IMO.

BPVA's approach appears to be one of appeasement. I'm definitely not a fan of it.

I still find BPVA's support of DECC confusing at best, even with their statements. They seem to be saying that they don't support the governments illegal action yet they then attempt to intervene on the DECC's behalf in court case dealing with exactly that.

DECC are not our masters. When they misbehave, we should bloody well tell them so.

 

[mdovey]

I still find BPVA's support of DECC confusing at best, even with their statements. They seem to be saying that they don't support the governments illegal action yet they then attempt to intervene on the DECC's behalf in court case dealing with exactly that.

If you listen to Greg Barker on Ch4 news (Government will appeal solar bid to save £1.5bn - Channel 4 News - about 2.20), it sounds as if BPVA "supported" DECC over the 21p rate not over the 12/12 reference date. Of course, Barker in his usual way refuses to separate the reduction of the FIT to 21p with the timing of the introduction (the court case is only about the date of introduction - not the actual reduction in the rate - but both Greg and Chris Huhne manage to conflate both issues in their responses).

So, it is quite easy for BPVA to support DECC in the introduction of a FIT of 21p but not support DECC in its plan to introduce it from the 12/12.

I suspect BPVA's real position is not that they "support" the 21p rate but they support that the FIT needs to be reduced, and "accept" 21p as inevitable so they can concentrate on lobbying over the EPC proposed conditions. This does not preclude them from comdeming DECC's actions in trying to introduce the reduction retrospectively.

I also suppect that BPVA's intervention in the court which Barker refers to, was not to "support" DECC over the FIT reduction, but more to indicate that the rate of the FIT is a distraction to the court case which is entirely and solely about the date of introduction - but Barker and Huhne have either deliberately misinterpreted this to be support of their entire actions, or really don't understand that the court case is not about the reduction but the date of introduction.

 

[SolarCity]

So, it is quite easy for BPVA to support DECC in the introduction of a FIT of 21p but not support DECC in its plan to introduce it from the 12/12.

Then surely their intent to intervene in the court process was utterly unjustified?

The rate of the FITs is not a legal issue.

 

[mdovey]

Then surely their intent to intervene in the court process was utterly unjustified?

I don't know what BPVA's actual intervention was - I don't trust either Barker or Huhne to report it accurately though. My suspicion is that DECC was wittering on about the 21p rate in court, and BPVA intervened to say that the 21p was irrelevant to the court case and was generally accepted as the FIT rate.

 

[SolarCity]

I don't know what BPVA's actual intervention was - I don't trust either Barker or Huhne to report it accurately though.

If this is true, then the BPVA have been oddly silent about being misinterpreted by both Barker and Huhne.

 

[Earthstore]

I tried to watch Barking on a link that one of you good chaps posted, and I just had to give up and go and tidy my sock draw (well it was a mess).
How can all these people sit there just going round and round in circles? It is just beyond me.
I am now finding the guidance of the powers that be, stating that it is 21p, when, as it stands in law it should be 43.3p.
Now we have to wait for another announcement that is due before the 9th of Feb.
I think I may start a new business selling bottles of water to these committees, just watch, they are always drinking the stuff....

 

[SRE]

DECC to consult on automatic feed-in tariff cuts - 01 Feb 2012 - News from BusinessGreen looks like the announcement will be as close to the 9th as they can get it and may include automatic cut off points. I'm not sure how that will work. 4 months of boom followed by 2 months of bust in 6 month cycles???? Or 4 months work and 2 months off every 6 months ......

 

[Del Boy]

I have to say that having read the majority of views on this post, it's good to hear that most people are trying to do the right thing by their customers and not just trying to make a quick buck. Being honest and transparent with customers is IMHO the only way to be, I truly believe that word of mouth is the best advertising.

Reading comments like "couldn't in all conscience sell at 43p even with a disclaimer" and "I'll be honest - I HAVE to work. But I won't sell at 43.3p. It's not my risk to take." really shows that you guys are putting customers first.

I hope their are some future customers on here who won't buy from those mis-selling, high pressure tactic salesman who give the industry a bad reputation similar to double glazing. It's not deserved and I hope some of you get more business from being genuine, professional, transparent and here to stay.

Mini-rant over!

As for the DECC thing, like most said, only need to wait 5 more weeks and the sooner everyone knows for definite the better for suppliers, installers and the industry as a whole.

 

[STEL]

I received this from someone at REAL - makes it quite clear. Says basically 43p tariff until end of March, then it may revert to 21p depending on the outcome at the supreme court.

Installations between 12 Dec & 2 Mar

For an <4kw installation installed and registered between 12 Dec and 2 March the tariff is 43.3p until 31 March. The uncertainty lies in what tariff a consumer would be on from 1 April for the remainder of the 25 years. The Court of Appeal ruling means the 43.3p would remain for 25 years. The uncertainty lies in whether the Government are able to appeal to the Supreme Court. If they are able to appeal, and go on to successfully appeal, the tariff could drop from 1 April to 21p.

Installations from 3 March

Installations from the 3 March will receive 43.3p until 31 March. The tariff will then revert to 21p for 25 years.

 

[finchy]

DECC to consult on automatic feed-in tariff cuts - 01 Feb 2012 - News from BusinessGreen looks like the announcement will be as close to the 9th as they can get it and may include automatic cut off points. I'm not sure how that will work. 4 months of boom followed by 2 months of bust in 6 month cycles???? Or 4 months work and 2 months off every 6 months ......

How can commercial projects get off the ground with 2-4 month lead....

 

[The Solar King]

Boom bust boom bust boom bust. This all goes back to the fact DECC completely messed it up in budget submissions to the Treasury. The 2020 targets are also nonsense as the underachievers in DECC do not understand on-site renewables. The target was probably suggested by one or some of the numerous 'advisers' from the big 6 working there. Unless both are reviewed and changed to realistic levels this idea of automatic cuts based on volume of installs will lead rationing and first come first served. Nightmare.

 

[trevor79]

Chris Huhne news.... Whether he will face charges for allegedly dodging a speeding penalty.
The announcement, following an eight-month police investigation, is due to be made in a televised statement by Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer QC.
Any decision to proceed with the case is expected to spell the end of the Liberal Democrat's Cabinet career.

Here's hoping!

 

[SolarCity]

I wonder who'll replace him?

 

[TedM]

Most money is on Ed Davey but Vince Cable has also been mentioned. Both LDs.

 

[The Solar King]

Zac Goldsmith for Energy Secretary. We can but wish. If he is prosecuted, which useless Lib-Dem will replace him? The cynic in me says the DPP is going to stand up as an apologist for doing nothing. If it was me or you, would the DPP be doing the same? Lets hope I am wrong.