Death penalty

[SPARTYKUS]

Interesting thread. Yet to comment....

 

[SPARTYKUS]

My dad lived in the middle east for quite a while, probably over a decade in the eighties. He sold telecoms to governments (but likes to joke about it being a cover job for special ops).

well I was lucky enough to see a bit of that world when I was a teenager, and it was interesting, but relevant bit is I remember me dad showing me the paper in Bahrain one day and it was front page news, someone had stolen something. And his hand was cut off. The culprit, not me dad.

now this is not made up this is real, and stuck with me, that someone nicking something was such big news that it made the front page. The point being it hardly ever happened.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

You miss my point. Barry George (among many others that could be named) was found guilty by a court on the grounds of the weight of evidence against him, some of it circumstantial, some of it forensic but the point is that he would have hanged some three weeks after being found guilty.
What would you say to his family after it was found that some of the evidence against him was fabricated and he was found to be not guilty of the crime for which he would have hanged?

Hello Mr Trev

I look forward to a heated discussion on this subject when I sample your mean bacon sarnie ;-)

 

[derek]

Nothing whatsoever,what they do is their business

I do however feel that society makes rules that we all live by,if we don't agree with a law.as a society we get rid or change that law

Doing wrong is a criminals decision.
I have heard pleas over many years about deprivation and inequality and the like being the cause and that the criminal is just a product of society
Being poor or from a disadvantaged family or the like is no excuse at all, ever

If a crime is committed,the penalty must be very severe in all cases,it should also be very very early in a criminals career
I happen to think that a person is the decision maker, when it comes to crime, its their decision to continue with crime or to learn that it does not pay

I have very strong feelings about criminality and have no time at all for concerns of rehabilitation by the state, or excuses of why a criminal acts,I believe punishment is the only tool that will curb the ever growing capacity of the criminal to commit those acts

You say no excuses for criminality are acceptable but one point I'd like to expand on is people sent to prison for not paying their TV licence and associated fines because they can't read and so all their warning letters about getting a TV licence go in the bin, when they get arrested and are in court they are too embarrassed to admit they can't read. Surely education in their case would be beneficial?

 

[shanky887614]

You say no excuses for criminality are acceptable but one point I'd like to expand on is people sent to prison for not paying their TV licence and associated fines because they can't read and so all their warning letters about getting a TV licence go in the bin, when they get arrested and are in court they are too embarrassed to admit they can't read. Surely education in their case would be beneficial?

you only need a tv licence if you have an aerial and watch live tv.

recorded/internet tv isnt covered by the tv license

 

[Leesparkykent]

you only need a tv licence if you have an aerial and watch live tv.

recorded/internet tv isnt covered by the tv license

you are required to have a TV licence if what you have recorded is recorded at the same time as broadcast and if you are watching programmes at the same time as they are shown on TV, whether on a computer, TV or any other type of equipment.

 

[Engineer54]

I can agree with those against the death sentence for typical criminal acts of murder and the like,...but when it comes to terrorists of any description that go to a place with the sole intention of indiscriminately killing and maiming as many innocent people as possible then they deserve nothing less. As far as these ISSI Jihadists are concerned you are fooling yourself big time if you even remotely consider that these maniac's can be rehabilitated.

 

[D Skelton]

So what would you do with someone like JIHAD JOHN?? Why the hell should we keep these sort of people for the rest of their life at a horrendous cost to the country?? All while they brainwash others into becoming carbon copies of themselves!!..,

Personally no need for any execution ceremony/procedure, ...on the due court assigned date, taken to a tiled room and a single bullet to the back of the head.... Sorted!!

Works pretty well over here in China!! lol!

Some people are just pure Evil, that just have no place in this world, so why prolong the the inevitable!!

Eh, Sorry??

No, seriously when you have a person caught on camera bang to rights, without a shadow of a doubt of guilt.... I'd have no hesitatation whatsoever signing a death warrant....

Now I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you in principle, however have you actually seen 'Jihadi John' kill anyone?! Or, are you in fact relying on what the media and the 'security' services are telling you?

 

[Engineer54]

Now I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you in principle, however have you actually seen 'Jihadi John' kill anyone?! Or, are you in fact relying on what the media and the 'security' services are telling you?

I'm basically just using this extremist Jihadi John nutter as an example, as well as the other criteria i've quoted. No i would never rely on the media unless they can provide unequivocal prove what they are writing/broadcasting is fact!! The security services would also need to prove what they know (in a closed court session if necessary). No what i'm stating is, that when/if someone is known and has been caught on camera committing terrorist type atrocities there is no defence....

 

[D Skelton]

I'm basically just using this extremist Jihadi John nutter as an example, as well as the other criteria i've quoted. No i would never rely on the media unless they can provide unequivocal prove what they are writing/broadcasting is fact!! The security services would also need to prove what they know (in a closed court session if necessary). No what i'm stating is, that when/if someone is known and has been caught on camera committing terrorist type atrocities there is no defence....

I get what you're saying.

My thoughts:

Didn't we declare war on terror? If so, terrorists should be shot on sight a they are legitimate enemy combatants.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Don't think terrorists are a good example here, I quote the old saying "one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. There are quite a few here Resistance movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many IRA terrorist have been released and I believe our government , along with the US, are looking to "bring Jihadi John to justice" aka drop a missile on his head. This does make life a little more complicated than you maybe think. Who needs the death penalty if our citizens have already been labelled as extremists, we just kill them as an act of war.

 

[Engineer54]

Don't think terrorists are a good example here, I quote the old saying "one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. There are quite a few here Resistance movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many IRA terrorist have been released and I believe our government , along with the US, are looking to "bring Jihadi John to justice" aka drop a missile on his head. This does make life a little more complicated than you maybe think. Who needs the death penalty if our citizens have already been labelled as extremists, we just kill them as an act of war.

Any organisation that purposely targets innocent civilians aren't by any stretch of the imagination ''Freedom Fighters'' You can dress it up as much as you want, they are and always have been Terrorists...

 

[D Skelton]

Any organisation that purposely targets innocent civilians aren't by any stretch of the imagination ''Freedom Fighters'' You can dress it up as much as you want, they are and always have been Terrorists...

Dresden? Nagasaki?

I'm just playing devils advocate here.

 

[Engineer54]

Dresden? Nagasaki?

I'm just playing devils advocate here.

Just slightly out of context though!!

 

[D Skelton]

Just slightly out of context though!!

Not really.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, protests and civil unrest get you nowhere. The only real way to get your voice heard is by blowing $hit up!

Irish Catholics were persecuted beyond belief before the IRA formed and started targeting us. They were soon heard!

Not that I'm condoning it, but I can at least understand it.

With regards to the death penalty, I used to be very much for it, but as I've grown wiser I find myself sitting on the fence.

 

[Risteard]

The leader of the world's catholics has spoken out against it and if you're one of them there's the concept of Papal Infallibility as he has a direct line to god (allegedly)

Actually the concept of Papal Infallibility applies only to an Infallible Statement on a matter of doctrine.

 

[Besoeker]

I mentioned juries in a previous post.
I was selected to be on one. It was an indecent assault case on a young child.
The case was brought by the guy's ex-girlfriend - a woman scorned and all that.
The case was so full of holes and obvious fabrications that the verdict had to be not guilty.
The last instruction from the judge before we retired to consider the verdict was that if we had any doubt we had to find the defendant not guilty. I can't remember if it had to be a unanimous verdict but, on reflection, I think it was.

OK. Though not the foreman I thought it was an open and shut case and to avoid protracted discussions I asked for a show of hands for the not guilty verdict. I got 11 out of 12 and one old duffer he said he wasn't sure. I reminded him about the judge's parting instruction about doubt.

He wasn't having it. Many, maybe most, of the jurors, myself included, brought up children. Girls in quite a few cases. He had no children. It took nearly an Act of Parliament to get him to understand that the other 11 of us had seen the blatant flaws in the prosecution case. He wanted a "not proven" verdict. That's not a choice we all told him.

Eventually he capitulated - yes capitulated is the right word - but not with good grace.

For sure, it's a one off experience. But an experience that was shared by 12 strangers. And the realisation that you can't necessarily expect good common sense to prevail in all cases.

 

[RogertheBodger]

Good arguments for both sides, suppose I'm a fence sitter too. I like the American system of capital punishment in that those condemned have to endure a living hell for years on death row, not knowing if the next day is their last, cruel maybe, but for those truly guilty of horrific crimes perhaps it's a fitting punishment, a quick death would be too good for some of them, and for those not so guilty there is plenty of time for new evidence, appeals etc. and the death penalty is still a deterrent to would be criminals. With modern forensic techniques hopefully miscarriages of justice won't happen so much. Unfortunately there is no perfect justice system.

As for terrorists, shoot on sight.

 

[shanky887614]

Good arguments for both sides, suppose I'm a fence sitter too. I like the American system of capital punishment in that those condemned have to endure a living hell for years on death row, not knowing if the next day is their last, cruel maybe, but for those truly guilty of horrific crimes perhaps it's a fitting punishment, a quick death would be too good for some of them, and for those not so guilty there is plenty of time for new evidence, appeals etc. and the death penalty is still a deterrent to would be criminals. With modern forensic techniques hopefully miscarriages of justice won't happen so much. Unfortunately there is no perfect justice system.

As for terrorists, shoot on sight.

i prefer the american system where they have concecutice sentences e.g. 5 life sentences or 150 years etc in prison with no chance of parole.

terrorists should have no human rights and shot on site.

freedom fighters attack the military etc not civilian's.

at the end of the day i can understand why certain cities are constantly getting shelled because there population is attacking civilians on the other side

 

[Des 56]

What I find completely baffling about terrorism,whether they be religious nuts who believe in ancient fairy tails or freedom fighters who have obsession with tribal nationalism is the absolute fact that we are but a very brief moment in the history of man and an infinitesimal moment in the history of the planet and the cosmos

We are nothing but that brief moment in time,then to inflict such misery and heartbreak taking that into consideration is mind boggling that they can do such things

The religious nuts carry out their evil deeds in the name of their God,if that God is so omnipotent and powerful why for goodness sake do they think he needs a mere mortals hand enforcing his doctrine

 

[Adam W]

i prefer the american system where they have concecutice sentences e.g. 5 life sentences or 150 years etc in prison with no chance of parole.

terrorists should have no human rights and shot on site.

How will making terrorists martyrs discourage the next generation of terrorists?

The media have a part to play in this as well - everyone knows the name 'Raoul Moat' but who can name the copper he shot? If there's no such thing as bad publicity, why give all the publicity to the killer and none to the victim?
Conversely everyone knows the name 'Lee Rigby' and recognises this picture:

but how many people could name the two who killed him, or visualise what they look like? They wanted to be shot on sight - to be made martyrs and gain publicity for what they believed in, but (IMO rightly) Lee Rigby is the one who is remembered.

If terrorists can expect to live out the rest of their days lying forgotten in some jail while their victims are hailed as heroes, then what is the point of them killing in the first place?

 

[Engineer54]

What I find completely baffling about terrorism,whether they be religious nuts who believe in ancient fairy tails or freedom fighters who have obsession with tribal nationalism is the absolute fact that we are but a very brief moment in the history of man and an infinitesimal moment in the history of the planet and the cosmos

We are nothing but that brief moment in time,then to inflict such misery and heartbreak taking that into consideration is mind boggling that they can do such things

The religious nuts carry out their evil deeds in the name of their God,if that God is so omnipotent and powerful why for goodness sake do they think he needs a mere mortals hand enforcing his doctrine

Des, i've spent years working in the Middle East, and i've never been able to hold any kind of discussion or question anything regarding their religion , and these were individuals that you would consider as far more westernised than most. They have been indoctrinated from birth, and believe without question everything they have been taught both at home at school and mosque... So you can imagine the wall you would need to climb to have any form of meaningful discussion with a religious extremist/terrorist, it just ain't gonna happen!! This is why there is not a glimmer of a chance ever being able to rehabilitate these extremists, ...None!!

They can't answer any of those questions you pose above, so they just fall back on what they have be taught, and NOTHING unfortunately is going to change

 

[Engineer54]

How will making terrorists martyrs discourage the next generation of terrorists?

The media have a part to play in this as well - everyone knows the name 'Raoul Moat' but who can name the copper he shot? If there's no such thing as bad publicity, why give all the publicity to the killer and none to the victim?
Conversely everyone knows the name 'Lee Rigby' and recognises this picture:
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but how many people could name the two who killed him, or visualise what they look like? They wanted to be shot on sight - to be made martyrs and gain publicity for what they believed in, but (IMO rightly) Lee Rigby is the one who is remembered.

If terrorists can expect to live out the rest of their days lying forgotten in some jail while their victims are hailed as heroes, then what is the point of them killing in the first place?

The cost of keeping them in prison, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year sounds like a pretty good reason to me!! Plus there's zero chance to indoctrinate others while they are incarcerated either!!

 

[D Skelton]

How will making terrorists martyrs discourage the next generation of terrorists?

The media have a part to play in this as well - everyone knows the name 'Raoul Moat' but who can name the copper he shot? If there's no such thing as bad publicity, why give all the publicity to the killer and none to the victim?
Conversely everyone knows the name 'Lee Rigby' and recognises this picture:
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but how many people could name the two who killed him, or visualise what they look like? They wanted to be shot on sight - to be made martyrs and gain publicity for what they believed in, but (IMO rightly) Lee Rigby is the one who is remembered.

If terrorists can expect to live out the rest of their days lying forgotten in some jail while their victims are hailed as heroes, then what is the point of them killing in the first place?

Adebalajo and adebewale.

I didn't need to look that up.

Scum!

They're getting a good hiding in prison from what I hear too!

 

[Adam W]

The cost of keeping them in prison, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year sounds like a pretty good reason to me!! Plus there's zero chance to indoctrinate others while they are incarcerated either!!

Why give terrorists what they want just to save a couple of quid?
And would it not be a bit cheaper if nobody went around murdering people in the street in the first place?

 

[D Skelton]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

 

[GB.Kayak]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

Already tried that ... place called New South Wales on the continent of Australia! Are you volunteering for a tour of duty?

... mind you sentencing then was much harder than it is now.

 

[Engineer54]

Why give terrorists what they want just to save a couple of quid?
And would it not be a bit cheaper if nobody went around murdering people in the street in the first place?

It's NOT just a couple of quid though is it, the money spent on keeping this scum in prison for life could be far better spent elsewhere!!
Who gives a flying f**k if these scum think they are martyrs or not, we'll be well rid of them, end of!!

 

[shanky887614]

How will making terrorists martyrs discourage the next generation of terrorists?

The media have a part to play in this as well - everyone knows the name 'Raoul Moat' but who can name the copper he shot? If there's no such thing as bad publicity, why give all the publicity to the killer and none to the victim?
Conversely everyone knows the name 'Lee Rigby' and recognises this picture:
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but how many people could name the two who killed him, or visualise what they look like? They wanted to be shot on sight - to be made martyrs and gain publicity for what they believed in, but (IMO rightly) Lee Rigby is the one who is remembered.

If terrorists can expect to live out the rest of their days lying forgotten in some jail while their victims are hailed as heroes, then what is the point of them killing in the first place?

if the terrorists are dead there wont be a new generation of terrorists

 

[Engineer54]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

Unfortunately, the Anoraks from ''Amnesty International'' and the like, will be screaming from the rooftops. Just can't do anything like that anymore. The French penal colonies of the 20's had the right idea, and was along very similar lines to your proposal!! lol!!

 

[Besoeker]

The cost of keeping them in prison, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year sounds like a pretty good reason to me!! Plus there's zero chance to indoctrinate others while they are incarcerated either!!

Unless the other inmates are predisposed to their indoctrination.

 

[Adam W]

Who gives a flying f**k if these scum think they are martyrs or not, we'll be well rid of them, end of!!

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

 

[RogertheBodger]

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

So shoot them as well, I'm not so sure any of them WANT to be martyrs.

In the words of George S. Patton:- No poor dumb b*****d ever won a war by dying for his country, he won the war by making the other poor, dumb b*****d die for his country.

If they want to be martyrs, good luck.

 

[Engineer54]

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

Exactly so what are you worrying about, at least the ones that are caught are permanently out of the picture, ...6 foot under!!

Actually, there are very defined parameters within the Koran for calling Jihad and being a Jihad martyr, and none of them has anything to do with wholesale indiscriminate killing of civilians because they don't follow the Koran or their version of the Koran...

You'll not change anything i'm afraid they believe what they want to believe and do exactly as they are told by those that have no intention of putting themselves in harms way!!

 

[Adam W]

Exactly so what are you worrying about, at least the ones that are caught are permanently out of the picture, ...6 foot under!!

Actually, there are very defined parameters within the Koran for calling Jihad and being a Jihad martyr, and none of them has anything to do with wholesale indiscriminate killing of civilians because they don't follow the Koran or their version of the Koran...

You'll not change anything i'm afraid they believe what they want to believe and do exactly as they are told by those that have no intention of putting themselves in harms way!!

I don't know that the Koran has much relevance here - these are extremists who believe their religion justifies killing a soldier or policeman in the country where they live. Or killing a member of their own family who they believe has brought shame on the family.
The outcome these extremists are looking for is to be shot by the police for doing something they believe is in the interests of their religion, and not to get beaten up in jail. If they believe dying in this way will ensure them a better next life, the threat of being shot dead is no deterrent, it's even an incentive.

 

[BES]

I'm am for the death penalty in certain cases not always so I used to be completely againts it and the reason I changed my view I won't go into now.
I have been facinated by the subject since I read Albert Pierrpoints biography when I was a teenager , a man who hung over 600 people including 90% of the most famous cases in recent british criminal history including numerous ---- war criminals in his time as ' No 1 executioner of britain ' who after he ' retired ' thought capital punishment was wrong !!!
We have to be extremly carefull when discussing this subject because we tend to forget the victims and I think I such cases as lee rigby , huntley , sutcliff where proof is without doubt the victims families should have some say in the punishment.

 

[trev]

With modern forensic techniques hopefully miscarriages of justice won't happen so much.

And when they do?
"Oh, sorry we hanged your brother/son/wife/daughter by mistake" isn't really going to cut the mustard is it?

 

[RogertheBodger]

And when they do?
"Oh, sorry we hanged your brother/son/wife/daughter by mistake" isn't really going to cut the mustard is it?

Let's hope they don't. For Countries that still use the death penalty, this is the chance they take, and the main reason that the penalty has been abolished in many Countries.

As far as the the UK is concerned, were the death penalty to be reintroduced (which is highly unlikely) for the most serious of offenders it is to be hoped that with modern techniques guilt would be able to be proven beyond ANY doubt.

 

[trev]

Let's hope they don't. For Countries that still use the death penalty, this is the chance they take, and the main reason that the penalty has been abolished in many Countries.

As far as the the UK is concerned, were the death penalty to be reintroduced (which is highly unlikely) for the most serious of offenders it is to be hoped that with modern techniques guilt would be able to be proven beyond ANY doubt.

Timothy Evans and Barry George, two people who were found guilty beyond reasonable doubt (which is the legal test) one was hanged and the other would have been had we still had the death penalty.

 

[rapparee]

As for terrorists, shoot on sight.

Like what happened to jean charles de menzes that brazillian electrician

 

[RogertheBodger]

Timothy Evans and Barry George, two people who were found guilty beyond reasonable doubt (which is the legal test) one was hanged and the other would have been had we still had the death penalty.

I did say beyond ANY doubt Trev, it's unlikely that any cases could be proved to that standard, but IF it was, and it was a case deserving of the death sentence what would you say then?

How many people have been executed by mistake in the past, set against the number of people who have been, and continue to be murdered?
Having a death penalty is not only about the rights of the accused, it's also about deterrence and the right to justice for the families of the victims.

I'm not advocating the return of the death penalty anytime soon, but would you be so forcefully against it if the victim was one of your own, because there are a lot of people in that position these days.

 

[rapparee]

with modern forensic techniques hopefully miscarriages of justice won't happen so much. Unfortunately there is no perfect justice system.

.

Brian shivers was wrongly convicted of the rira masserene army barracks shooting in 2009, he has since been totally vindicated and the dna evidence was deemed to be dodgey

 

[RogertheBodger]

Like what happened to jean charles de menzes that brazillian electrician

He wasn't a terrorist. What happened to him was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened, but it had nothing to do with the death penalty.

You do know that when I say shoot terrorists on sight, I mean when they are carrying out a terrorist act, or we wouldn't know they were terrorists would we?

For instance the two who killed Lee Rigby, they survived to have their day in court, to perform in court on the world stage, giving their crackpot ideas and warped philosophy to all the impressionable Muslims around the world. Should have put an end to it there and then, over and done with.

 

[trev]

I did say beyond ANY doubt Trev, it's unlikely that any cases could be proved to that standard, but IF it was, and it was a case deserving of the death sentence what would you say then?

How many people have been executed by mistake in the past, set against the number of people who have been, and continue to be murdered?
Having a death penalty is not only about the rights of the accused, it's also about deterrence and the right to justice for the families of the victims.

I'm not advocating the return of the death penalty anytime soon, but would you be so forcefully against it if the victim was one of your own, because there are a lot of people in that position these days.

That's a very emotive argument which is trotted out by pro death penalty advocates but (hopefully) it's a situation I'll never have to face because I, nor anyone else, can realistically answer it. I think I'd prefer for the person to spend the rest of his or her life in prison rather than getting a quick release at the end of a rope but like I say, I can't guarantee I'd feel that way.
That said, I have read articles where the families of victims have said the same because it doesn't bring the person back. Imo it's not a punishment, it's revenge and I don't think revenge has a place in the criminal justice system.
To my way of thinking you either support the death penalty or you do not. You can't say that person A should hang for his crime but person B shouldn't and there have been too many miscarriages of justice for me to be comfortable with it

 

[Adam W]

Like what happened to jean charles de menzes that brazillian electrician

In the case of jean charles de menzes it wasn't so much 'death penalty' for something he'd done, but something the police perceived he would do, based on their background information.

Upon further investigation it turns out they shot (murdered if you will) an innocent electrician.
They made a mistake there.

 

[Engineer54]

I don't know that the Koran has much relevance here - these are extremists who believe their religion justifies killing a soldier or policeman in the country where they live. Or killing a member of their own family who they believe has brought shame on the family.

The outcome these extremists are looking for is to be shot by the police for doing something they believe is in the interests of their religion, and not to get beaten up in jail. If they believe dying in this way will ensure them a better next life, the threat of being shot dead is no deterrent, it's even an incentive.

So who gives a flying ---- what they want or don't want, if they are shot dead by police/security services or executed by a state, they are dead, and no longer a threat to anyone, so where's the problem??

EDIT.... Don't make the mistake of considering these fanatical extremists/terrorists in the same light as your typical criminal murderer, they are about as far removed from your typical criminal element as you could possibly get. That's half the trouble with western thinking, they have no idea or just don't understand who or what they are dealing with.

 

[Adam W]

So who gives a flying ---- what they want or don't want, if they are shot dead by police/security services or executed by a state, they are dead, so where's the problem??

The problem is that that's what they want.

 

[Engineer54]

The problem is that that's what they want.

That's fine, that's not any form of problem, they are dead and out of circulation.... If you are under the ill found impression that it encourages others, they have already been well and truly indoctrinated it make's no difference whatsoever, so why would you invest millions keeping this scum alive in prison (life sentence) and possibly creating other problems during their incarceration??

 

[Guest77]

Just to inflame the situation here, IMO, the 2 guys who were caught on film beheading lee rigby should be set on fire in the street and anyone attempting to put them out to stop their agony should be given a 5 year jail sentence, anyone caught on film interfearing with children or attempting to or actually succeeding planting a bomb in our city's should be immediately executed after the trial, no last meal, no asking for forgiveness from a priest, straight to the gallows or execution centre, this should be for crimes caught on camera where there is absolutely no doubt, fluck em, kill the Bstards.

 

[shanky887614]

on another note, the eu is trying to interfere with the us death penalty by not supplying them with the lethal injection, there just going to shoot them now in certain states instead.

to be fair its more humane to have a well placed shot kill, than suffocate to death after having an injection