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Interviewer: are you a qualified electrian?
Interviewee: yeah nearly.
Interviewee: yeah nearly.
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Only if you have a good tutor with the flexibility and the course numbers to vary the content in the limited way you can within a few weeks. Which is the problem. You can't get someone with an Electrical Engineering degree and a pastry chef up to the same level of competence in five weeks.
Interviewer: are you a qualified electrian?
Interviewee: yeah nearly.
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If they have a background prior to taking the course solely as a transition into the industry then they don't ask the basic stupid questions and don't get accused of been a Electrical Trainee ..there's no wonder about how they were just utilising the course to dot the I's and cross the T's.... I don't attribute the Term 5 week wonder to such a person, I pin it on those with no background whatsoever who take the course then ask the most basic of questions to which make one cringe...these are what we call Electrical Trainee... just because they have taken the 5 week course does not mean the wonder tag is attached to them ... that would be a blanket tag which I don't do...I can't speak for others though.
No, what else can we call a Electrical Trainee? A 35 day wonder? A person with limited knowlege? A person who can only work in a house ? A person who is not really an electrician? I think Electrical Trainee is the kind way, then after a few years of experience they could progress to Electician, maybe.Do you not feel that the term Electrical Trainee is derogatory?
If they have a background prior to taking the course solely as a transition into the industry then they don't ask the basic stupid questions and don't get accused of been a Electrical Trainee ..there's no wonder about how they were just utilising the course to dot the I's and cross the T's.... I don't attribute the Term 5 week wonder to such a person, I pin it on those with no background whatsoever who take the course then ask the most basic of questions to which make one cringe...these are what we call Electrical Trainee... just because they have taken the 5 week course does not mean the wonder tag is attached to them ... that would be a blanket tag which I don't do...I can't speak for others though.
That's a bit different - while a 'fast track' 2330 may be fine for someone who has worked in the industry for years but never been to college, the 'Electrical Trainee' course is generally just a load of short courses stuck together:Also I think the 2-3 year to 5 week comparison is flawed. those of you did CG2330 on evening college courses only did one evening a week (4 hours) and at least 6 weeks you don't go. So 46 x 0.5 days = 23 days a year (4.6 weeks). So a 2 year course would be less than 10 weeks at college. Not such a big gap now is it.
But using the Electrical Trainee term carries with it the inherent suggestion that the problem is about those five weeks, it's right there in the term. So those who have done that short course route to combine with existing quals/exp to produce a perfectly competent domestic installer may feel a bit slighted that that term is being slung about. My suggestion is that if you want to suggest someone is not competent within the scope that they should be, then just say so and don't use some broadbrush label to tie that comment in to how they may have (failed to) learn or how long it took. Perhaps just "useless jerk" or something.
The Electrical Trainee term ill agree now has a one tag fits all but you me or anyone on here using the term are not at blame ....its the mis-selling greedy tutoring schemes that have tarred what was a course that only originally attracted a few small previous experienced students, when they realised they could actually pass students with no background and issue them with a cert' to work in electrics albeit with no competence or experience the courses exploded into every corner of the UK and massive profits were made... the fallout of this is a general Tag of %WW which has even been termed in televised debates...its a tag that will prevail until they stop sending out ill prepared people on false hopes into what is a very dangerous and professional job.
Once they've finished the course and come on here asking for advice, that kind of 'I'm better than you' and 'you owe me a living' attitude.
Bit off topic, but IMHO it's a bad idea to unnecessarily judge someone's attitude based only on what they write in an Internet posting. Compared to a face-to-face conversation, you are missing about 70% of the information, is a figure I saw quoted once (pacing, tone, volume, body language, facial expressions, etc. etc.). If I judge someone's attitude from an internet posting the risk is my conclusion says more about my own assumptions and prejudices than it does about their attitude. This is why forum/comments discussions descend so readily into a slanging match the people would never dream of having in person.
Yeah but at the end of the day if you are someone who has come through that route in a justifiable way from justifiable quals/exp and come out of it as a still learning (who isn't) but competent-within-their-scope domestic installer, and then you see this Electrical Trainee term bandied about, then regardless of it being the fault of the bad behaviour of private colleges and ill-advised students and etc. you are going to feel tarred with that brush. In terms of it being a tag that will prevail, it'll prevail until people decide not to use it.
I get that ... but then again, you can't have the face/face argument/coversastion ... so as wrong it sounds, all you can go on is what someone writes ...
There are Electrical Trainee as the tag goes that I hold in high respect on this forum who go the extra mile and know their stuff and yes they have 'come out' par'se to admit their path to their new found career but all except one has previous related experience and the one who doesn't I class as one of the few who excel naturally, the other 95% doing the courses are ill prepared, lack experience and tricked into a big scam that is still ongoing ...the tag will damage this abuse of these money grabbing schemes and if it comes at the expense of a few good genuine good sparks then be it as their own talent will ensure their career but the tag serves as a deterrent and a message the bigwigs who have already called up and discussed the issue.
The faster these schemes disappear the better, its caused a wage drop in the industry which is already taken a blow from recession and gives no positive effects.. all practicing electricians should in my mind go through the full course and they should bring back the old style courses prior to the dumbing down to keep ill educated school kids off the streets.
It's not really "blithely making assumptions" if they've given you the information.Yeah, but the sensible person who is aware of that limitation, makes the effort to make as few assumptions as possible, and so doesn't just blithely make assumptions about the posters attitude even though they don't need to. In this context, if in doubt assume the best of people, I always think.
It's not really "blithely making assumptions" if they've given you the information.
It works both ways as well - some people come here trying to cadge free information, you try to help and they just turn round and have a go at you. Why should I try to help someone like that?
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