Got an ex council house to rewire

[Paul228]

Got an ex council house to rewire. Sockets are straight forward and will be doing it in T&E
But the lighting is done in singles 6241y. And I want to do the same. I have rolls of conduit wiring on the van, but not sure if this is suitable for slotting down plasterboard soothing walls or popping through the existing holes in the joists.
Sould I bite the bullet and use the pvc/pvc 6241y or use t&e

 

[buzzlightyear]

that would be better then singles in a plaster board , you could use condit behind the board.lol.

 

[westward10]

You can't use unenclosed 6491X in a wall cavity.

 

[ipf]

You don't seem vey experienced in domestic work. Are you a scheme member?

 

[littlespark]

6241y? Meaning singles-and-earth?
Are you sure it needs rewired? Should still be in ok condition.

t&e will likely to be cheaper and easier to come by.

 

[Andy78]

Yeah you should use sheathed cable for runs not enclosed in a cabling system.
Worrying that you would think otherwise to be honest. I'm assuming you're not an electrician ?

 

[Pete999]

Got an ex council house to rewire. Sockets are straight forward and will be doing it in T&E
But the lighting is done in singles 6241y. And I want to do the same. I have rolls of conduit wiring on the van, but not sure if this is suitable for slotting down plasterboard soothing walls or popping through the existing holes in the joists.
Sould I bite the bullet and use the pvc/pvc 6241y or use t&e

Agree with ANDY78

 

[SJD]

I assumed the OP was referring to sheathed singles with an earth, as in:

Single Core And Earth 6241 Y Cable | Cables & Accessories | Cef | CEF

Ensure efficient electrical wiring with our 6241Y flat single-core and earth cables. Find cables suitable for domestic and commercial applications at CEF.

www.cef.co.uk

 

[ipf]

I assumed the OP was referring to sheathed singles with an earth, as in:

Single Core And Earth 6241 Y Cable | Cables & Accessories | Cef | CEF

Ensure efficient electrical wiring with our 6241Y flat single-core and earth cables. Find cables suitable for domestic and commercial applications at CEF.

www.cef.co.uk

He does mention conduit wiring.

 

[SJD]

He does mention conduit wiring.

Yes, when I re-read the original post, it is not clear if he wants to use unsheathed conduit wiring, or this sheathed 6241Y. I was assuming the OP knows the difference between the two, and that unsheathed cables must be contained.

Personally I can't see why you'd not just use T&E, unless of course you happened to have a van load of something else that you wanted to use up!

 

[ipf]

6241y? Meaning singles-and-earth?
Are you sure it needs rewired? Should still be in ok condition.

The main problem with that is, even though it's in good nick, positioning and number of points required. We all know the number of sockets, especially, that are required these days compared to days of old. Additions to a domestic conduit system can be a real ball ache, whichever method you're going to use.

 

[7029 dave]

You cannot use singles if it is not a full conduit system.

 

[Pete999]

You cannot use singles if it is not a full conduit system.

You can it it's in trunking, as well as conduit.

 

[7029 dave]

You can it it's in trunking

Yes I know Pete.
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You can it it's in trunking, as well as conduit.

Full trunking system.

 

[Pete999]

Yes I know Pete.

Just making sure Mate don't want to confuse the unincited do we?
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Yes I know Pete.
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Full trunking system.

Think totally enclosed cable containment would suffice.
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Yes I know Pete.
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Full trunking system.

and cnduit.

 

[7029 dave]

Just making sure Mate don't want to confuse the unincited do we?
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Think totally enclosed cable containment would suffice.

Yeah true, never liked the word containment sounds daft.

 

[Pete999]

Yeah true, never liked the word containment sounds daft.

Just funning, Mate I knew, you were savvy to the situation. trying to lighten a dull Sunday afternoon.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Regardless of wiring. Get customer to carry out an asbestos survey. A lot of ex authority houses had asbestos in them. Can save a lot of worry

 

[HappyHippyDad]

What's your job @Paul228 ? I'm genuinely interested as a number of people ask questions like this, i.e. doing a major electrical job but asking a very basic question. You wouldn't be a domestic installer (like myself) as we don't learn anything about singles or 6241y so that wouldn't be your go to choice. It seems unlikely you are an electrician as you wouldn't consider putting singles through a joist hole or behind plasterboard, but you have a load of 'conduit wiring'. Were you maybe an industrial electrician? Although in industrial I'm guessing you'd still have to enclose singles!

 

[Paul228]

Cheers for the information.
I'll ignore the sarcastic ones.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Cheers for the information.
I'll ignore the sarcastic ones.

I honestly didn't think my question was sarcastic, although I am perhaps a tad on the aspergers spectrum so it could perhaps come across as sarcastic I'm not sure. I was just being factual and genuinely interested in what your job role was. I counted out electrician and domestic installer for the reasons stated and thought perhaps someone who's just worked in industrial, or maybe you've been out of the trade for a while.
Sorry for any upset.

 

[Paul228]

My job. Electrician
When I qualified there wasn't such a thing as a domestic installer.
We didn't have a scheme run by private companies either. And you don't have to be a scheme member to do electrical works. That's for building regs, part p et Al. The LA can sign off you domestic work.

When I qualified, the brighter ones went onto industrial. The others who struggled with maths went onto house bashing and site work.
My original post stared I had drums of singles on the van. I rarely use t&e as most of my work is industrial.
No need for apologies mate as it wasn't aimed at you

 

[Andy78]

My job. Electrician
When I qualified there wasn't such a thing as a domestic installer.
We didn't have a scheme run by private companies either. And you don't have to be a scheme member to do electrical works. That's for building regs, part p et Al. The LA can sign off you domestic work.

When I qualified, the brighter ones went onto industrial. The others who struggled with maths went onto house bashing and site work.
My original post stared I had drums of singles on the van. I rarely use t&e as most of my work is industrial.
No need for apologies mate as it wasn't aimed at you

That doesn't really make a lot of sense. You would know that singles cables need containing in any situation or sheathed cables should be used. Nothing to do with building regs, schemes etc.

Keeping it constructive, if you rarely use twin and earth it would be useful get acquainted with table 4D5 and installation methods 100 to 103. Twin and earth in stoothing walls with insulation can be severely derated and have a huge effect on your calcs.

 

[Pete999]

That doesn't really make a lot of sense. You would know that singles cables need containing in any situation or sheathed cables should be used. Nothing to do with building regs, schemes etc.

Keeping it constructive, if you rarely use twin and earth it would be useful get acquainted with table 4D5 and installation methods 100 to 103. Twin and earth in stoothing walls with insulation can be severely derated and have a huge effect on your calcs.

Go on got to ask "what's a stoothing wall"?

 

[Andy78]

Go on got to ask "what's a stoothing wall"?

A stud wall. Might be a local term.

 

[Pete999]

A stud wall. Might be a local term.

Ah right, I did think it may be local lingo.

 

[telectrix]

Go on got to ask "what's a stoothing wall"?

a crappy cheap way to divide rooms without the uses of bricks and mortar.

 

[Pete999]

a crappy cheap way to divide rooms without the uses of bricks and mortar.

A stud wall then? thanks Tei

 

[telectrix]

on the plus side. you don't need a builder. a reasonably sane wood butcher could do it.