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I’m presuming a standard pendant is a class 2 fitting as the earth terminals are not needed as it’s a plastic fitting and it only has an insulated 2 core going to the actual ‘lamp part’.

Am I correct in thinking this?

The reason I ask is Screwfix have replied to someone’s question that it is a class 1 and requires an earth? Even though it is only used to loop in/out.

Can anyone clarify this for me.

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My GF mum house has no earth on the lighting circuits, pre 1966 build, has some metal light fittings, she is 90 years old and does not want the house rewiring.
I changed a faulty metal class1 fitting for a pendant (to her disapproval) , have advised to replace the other remaining fittings cant do no more.
 
Part number would be K1186WHI

I'm guessing it must be the 'shockguard' version, which only makes connection when lamp is fitted.


Edit: That part number isn't one of their shockguard pendants.
 
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I don't think it is. My preferred pendant sets are MK, they've always been like this as long as I've been using them. I like the terminals in them.

Here's another lampholder, don't know what brand. I bought it a while back from an online shop for a table lamp repair.

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It's definitely not - I edited that last post while you were typing.

Makes little sense to have a double insulated symbol when, at most, slight pressure gives acces to live parts.
 
Part number would be K1186WHI

I'm guessing it must be the 'shockguard' version, which only makes connection when lamp is fitted.


Edit: That part number isn't one of their shockguard pendants.
I just tested the MK pendant set, and got continuity between the live terminal in the ceiling rose and one of the pins, without pressing it in, so no special safety guards as far as I can tell
 
I just tested the MK pendant set, and got continuity between the live terminal in the ceiling rose and one of the pins, without pressing it in, so no special safety guards as far as I can tell

Maybe the class 2 status can be when the device is in normal use, ie. When fitted with a bulb?
 
The reason i asked is that i have no earth on lighting circuits and i need an EICR.

have spoke to NAPIT and NECEIC and they are just as confused, one states it's ok and will pass EICR, the other states it will fail, class 2.

What pendant like fitting would work in this situation as they will all need replacing if they are indeed class 2.

Cheers
 
The reason i asked is that i have no earth on lighting circuits and i need an EICR.

have spoke to NAPIT and NECEIC and they are just as confused, one states it's ok and will pass EICR, the other states it will fail, class 2.

What pendant like fitting would work in this situation as they will all need replacing if they are indeed class 2.

Cheers
Standard plastic pendant sets such as these have no exposed conductive metal parts, so the lack of CPC (earth conductor) doesn't make them any less safe in their installed state.

Wiring regulations require a CPC to every point, even to plastic fittings such as these, in case they should be changed in the future to class I fittings. So even if you change all your lights and switches to plastic, it will still receive a code, as it is non compliant.

Whether your inspector codes it as C3 (improvement recommended, but satisfactory) or C2 (potentially dangerous, unsatisfactory) is up to his or her own judgement.
 
Standard plastic pendant sets such as these have no exposed conductive metal parts, so the lack of CPC (earth conductor) doesn't make them any less safe in their installed state.

Wiring regulations require a CPC to every point, even to plastic fittings such as these, in case they should be changed in the future to class I fittings. So even if you change all your lights and switches to plastic, it will still receive a code, as it is non compliant.

Whether your inspector codes it as C3 (improvement recommended, but satisfactory) or C2 (potentially dangerous, unsatisfactory) is up to his or her own judgement.

I will relay this info to each electrician and get their verdict on it.

Thanks
 
Just spoke to NICEIC electrician and he stated these are fine as Class 2.

‘BG pendants have no exposed metalic parts and internals are not live unless you put a bulb in so they will be fine.
C3 if fittings are class 2. C3 if not.
consumer unit will need warning notice to say not to install metal fittings on lighting’

These fittings and again question asked/replied.

https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/british-general-6-pendant-set-bc-white-5-pack/81746

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Cheers
 
Just spoke to NICEIC electrician and he stated these are fine as Class 2.

‘BG pendants have no exposed metalic parts and internals are not live unless you put a bulb in so they will be fine.
C3 if fittings are class 2. C3 if not.
consumer unit will need warning notice to say not to install metal fittings on lighting’

These fittings and again question asked/replied.

https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/british-general-6-pendant-set-bc-white-5-pack/81746

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Cheers

Loving that user name 😀😃
 
Cheers guys, i have also been informed that the Class 2 type MK/BG pendants have spring loaded pin terminals and only connect/make contact with the lamp in place. Again this obviously does not stop someone actually pushing the pins in i presume....

I will get some when i get chance, check them and reply back as someone above has stated differently.
 

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