NAPIT Certification Scheme Life after napit part 2

[multimick]

well it's now 18 months since i left napit and no problems to report , I am still doing domestic (mostly unfortunately) and all I do is download IEE certs (filled in on my laptop) and forward them to BC. Only once have these been questioned and I just emailed them my city and guilds qualifications along with a short letter and they were fine with that. Happier and richer
cheers Michael

 

[Mike Blair]

so your carrying out work not with a governing body?. im 19 just finished college. about to do my 17th got my lvl 3 2365 about to get my testing. now heres where im confused with napit etc they don't take my qualification yet as a core qualification yet buy there looking into it -.- can you carry out jobs like re-wires with out being on a governing body but then doesn't some one have to come out every time

 

[shanky887614]

so your carrying out work not with a government body?. im 19 just finished college. about to do my 17th got my lvl 3 2365 about to get my testing. now heres where im confused with napit etc they don't take my qualification yet as a core qualification yet buy there looking into it -.- can you carry out jobs like re-wires with out being on a government body but then doesn't some one have to come out every time

you dont have an nvq then?

it would be a good idea to work for someone for a couple years to build your experience up

working in the real world is completly different to what your taught in college

 

[Knobhead]

Since when has NAPIT been a government body? They’re not even a governing body.

From the OED

Conduct the policy, actions, and affairs with authority.

 

[Mike Blair]

i have had about 1 and a half years work at 3 days a week. i understand work is different from college i learnt that when i started my level two haha it got to the point where i was talking about things from work and no one in the class got it :/ shame really because i was trying to do real world situations on some of the projects we where doing but people confused and had to keep things basic . i can do most domestic things but when i was working i did not do much in 3 phase

 

[amckay]

i have had about 1 and a half years work at 3 days a week. i understand work is different from college i learnt that when i started my level two haha it got to the point where i was talking about things from work and no one in the class got it :/ shame really because i was trying to do real world situations on some of the projects we where doing but people confused and had to keep things basic . i can do most domestic things but when i was working i did not do much in 3 phase

Stick with your 2365 level 3. Once you've got that get your nvq3 (2357 I think). I rekon if you register now you'll get it for free.
Then depending if your sticking with employer or moving on it might be wise to get 17th edition qualification 2382. You don't need it but some employers are fussy and want to see it.
Get some testing experience behind you before you look at doing the testing exam. It'll do you the world of good.

 

[northstar]

well it's now 18 months since i left napit and no problems to report , I am still doing domestic (mostly unfortunately) and all I do is download IEE certs (filled in on my laptop) and forward them to BC. Only once have these been questioned and I just emailed them my city and guilds qualifications along with a short letter and they were fine with that. Happier and richer
cheers Michael

what bc area do you work in ?

 

[sparkdog]

Probably Outer Umbongo region.

 

[Mike Blair]

i got my 17th booked and my testing will be in December ish. i need to get some experience in 3 phase stuff >.< im working soon labouring. gong to do that till i can afford a van etc. like im learning alot about single phase testing its pretty easy but i need to learn alot more about things that can have an effect on testing. like neons etc

 

[Knobhead]

i got my 17th booked and my testing will be in December ish. i need to get some experience in 3 phase stuff >.< im working soon labouring. gong to do that till i can afford a van etc. like im learning alot about single phase testing its pretty easy but i need to learn alot more about things that can have an effect on testing. like neons etc

Unfortunately, one of the things that experience teaches you. There’s no fixed list of things to look for, or if there is, someone keeps adding more to it.

BTW, changing your post #2 made my post #4 utter nonsense.

 

[Mike Blair]

at the moment im getting my cscs card and having to pay 120 for a one day site induction. i hate the middle man -.- and all i am seeing is alot of middle men in the construction industry's :c

 

[brucelee]

Yes it is the middle men that take your cash Wonder how you get Quals for that lol I just seem to pay everyone else for little in return, Courses, scams, books the list is endless

Get as much experience as you can it will stand you in good stead plus some cash to save in the mean time helps lol

 

[multimick]

Yes it is the middle men that take your cash Wonder how you get Quals for that lol I just seem to pay everyone else for little in return, Courses, scams, books the list is endless

Get as much experience as you can it will stand you in good stead plus some cash to save in the mean time helps lol

sorry for delay I am in lancashire (wigan council ,west lancs council,chorley council) All I do is download IEE certs fill them in and BC accepts them ,it's the way forward no more fees !

 

[Geordie Spark]

Unfortunately, one of the things that experience teaches you. There’s no fixed list of things to look for, or if there is, someone keeps adding more to it.

BTW, changing your post #2 made my post #4 utter nonsense.

Don't worry about it Tony - nobody noticed the difference. :laugh:

:leaving:

 

[Engineer54]

so your carrying out work not with a governing body?. im 19 just finished college. about to do my 17th got my lvl 3 2365 about to get my testing. now heres where im confused with napit etc they don't take my qualification yet as a core qualification yet buy there looking into it -.- can you carry out jobs like re-wires with out being on a governing body but then doesn't some one have to come out every time

I'm as confused as hell, you say your 19, just finished college with a full level 3 C&G 2365, now how did you manage to do that on a standard 1 day a week basis??

Napit doesn't accept a C&G level 3, electrical core qualification, but accepts a electrical trainee course????

 

[brucelee]

sorry for delay I am in lancashire (wigan council ,west lancs council,chorley council) All I do is download IEE certs fill them in and BC accepts them ,it's the way forward no more fees !

So you dont pay a fee to LABC do you just notify them beforehand did you have to send them a copy of your qualifications

Think I will be contacting them again if thats the case as when I last asked it was £190 a job

 

[multimick]

just done an ext, 2 new circuits on rcd of course,guy already had a building insp involved (wigan council) . I finished 2nd fix last week and gave the guy a downloaded form from iee ,he gave it to the BC and all is fine .But let's suppose all was not allright ,what would happen is BC would ask for a scam headed form I would say i'm not in a scam and they would have to accept an EICR from me (no scam needed for those ),but not happened yet .

 

[telectrix]

different with any new build or extension work if BC are already involved as they have already had a fee and raised a building notice.

 

[multimick]

So basically( domestic speaking) work is either new build, extensions ,or lets say a kitchen or bathroom ,the first 2 are taken care off as you say which leaves the third ,how many homeowners get BC involved when they are refurbing their kitchen ? If they do they have a cert .

 

[telectrix]

BC should never have been involved in purely electrical work. it's the nonsense that's called part p. no other trade has to jump through the hoops, spend oodles on scam membership, and kow-tow down to muppets just to be able to work. arrgh. i can't go on under threat of a ban.

 

[Archie]

I too left NAPIT a while ago, very disillusioned with them.
I've done a few domestic jobs and when asked for a 'Part P' cert I give them the Minor Works / Electrical Installation certificate. They accept it without question.
MY work is always done to the book and I always test and produce certification. There is not a court in the land who'll prosecute anyone for doing a job correctly.

 

[Badged01]

.....I've done a few domestic jobs and when asked for a 'Part P' cert I give them the Minor Works / Electrical Installation certificate. They accept it without question....

But do you advise them that you're not notifying any notifiable jobs to LABC and that its their responsibility to do so or potentially be prosecuted?

 

[davesparks]

Prosecuted by who for what crime?

 

[stevethesparks]

Recalling from past info, I was under the impression that if you belong to a scheme then it is your responsibility to inform Building Control. If you are not part of a scheme then it is the householders or persons ordering the works responsibility to inform Building Control.
Happy to be corrected.

 

[Badged01]

Prosecuted by who for what crime?

Unless I've got it terribly wrong, failing to reported a notifiable job under the building regs becomes a criminal offence and the householder is responsible for reporting said notifiable job. LABC are the ones who can supposedly start instigating any action .....

....If you are not part of a scheme then it is the householders or persons ordering the works responsibility to inform Building Control.

Correct but if you complete the work knowing you aren't going to report said work and it should be reported, have you informed the householder they need to do it under the regulations. No legal obligation for you to do so, ignorance of the law is no excuse on the householders part, but knowing it should be reported I would suggest there is a moral obligation on the electrician to just confirm with the householder they know they should be reporting it? If they dont want to thats their call ......

 

[davesparks]

Unless I've got it terribly wrong, failing to reported a notifiable job under the building regs becomes a criminal offence and the householder is responsible for reporting said notifiable job. LABC are the ones who can supposedly start instigating
......

Can you cite any precedent where a successful prosecution has been brought against anyone for carrying out, or employing someone to carry out, electrical installation work in compliance with BS7671 and industry best practice?

 

[Badged01]

Can you cite any precedent where a successful prosecution has been brought against anyone for carrying out, or employing someone to carry out, electrical installation work in compliance with BS7671 and industry best practice?

I'm sure if you carry-out work IAW BS7671 you will be almost bomb-proof for any prosecution against your workmanship. However, not reporting that work where it should be reported under the building regs is a different kettle of fish. That said I dont know of anyone who has been prosecuted under the building regs for not notifying work or even heard of anyone being prosecuted ........

 

[stevethesparks]

Correct but if you complete the work knowing you aren't going to report said work and it should be reported, have you informed the householder they need to do it under the regulations. No legal obligation for you to do so, ignorance of the law is no excuse on the householders part, but knowing it should be reported I would suggest there is a moral obligation on the electrician to just confirm with the householder they know they should be reporting it? If they dont want to thats their call ......

Agreed - put the ball in their court, include a small section on the quotation and that should be the Electrician covered.

 

[Plonker 3]

All the usual speil about you should tell the home owner if you are aware of in needing to be notified. What a load of baloney, do you tell people who are speeding that they are also breaking the law and could be prosecuted?

 

[Badged01]

Only if they've asked me to do the speeding for them ......

 

[Gavin A]

Unless I've got it terribly wrong, failing to reported a notifiable job under the building regs becomes a criminal offence and the householder is responsible for reporting said notifiable job. LABC are the ones who can supposedly start instigating any action .....

the person carrying out the works is responsible for notification if you read the legislation rather than going on EF folk law.

and can only self certify if a member of a self certification scheme... by the letter of the law, although building control do have discretion on that.

So what works fine with one council may land you in trouble with another, not saying it will, but it could, either way it's entirely at BCs discretion whether to do you or not

 

[Badged01]

....the person carrying out the works is responsible for notification if you read the legislation .....

I think you may well be right. Having had a quick gallop thro' the legislation rather than relying on the interpretation of the governing bodies it would appear the person doing the work has to report it. But even 'electrical safety first' muddies the waters ... "By law, the homeowner or landlord must be able to prove that all electrical installation work meets Part P, or they will be committing a criminal offence" .... it doesn't say they have to report it, just prove it, presumably by receiving the LABC certificate once the installer has reported it!!

I can see a "no-win-no-fee" opportunity here for poor distressed houseowners who not having had their notifiable work reported have subsequently been traumatised by unscrupulous https://www.google.co.uk/search?cli...a=X&ei=NANAVM_ZMeuV7AabwoCQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAAelectricans who have failed to meet their legal requirements ......

 

[Plonker 3]

I can see a "no-win-no-fee" opportunity here for poor distressed houseowners who not having had their notifiable work reported have subsequently been traumatised by unscrupulous electricans who have failed to meet their legal requirements ......

Where about does this become our requirement?

 

[Jay Sparks]

I'm as confused as hell, you say your 19, just finished college with a full level 3 C&G 2365, now how did you manage to do that on a standard 1 day a week basis??

Napit doesn't accept a C&G level 3, electrical core qualification, but accepts a electrical trainee course????

Eng, the C&G 2365 is a 3 day a week course. It is a technical qual. It replaced the old 2330. Its not an apprenticeship. It takes two years I think.




Jay

 

[RG electrical]

This is spot on.....how much does it cost to get BC involved ?
I hate the fact these bodies have to check my work and get payed to do so!!!
I just did my inspection and testing in the hope i can be free......Its a joke that a fully qualified spark is in the same situation as a DIYer with no clue what he is doing.......!!!!

 

[Badged01]

Where about does this become our requirement?

Purely hypothetical of course, I'm sure all electricans doing notifiable work report it to LABC in one way or another ....

 

[Plonker 3]

Not me, although its limited indont seem to have caused any problems so far neither by not doing so.

 

[RG electrical]

How do you get on with building control ? I would love to do the same ........any advice would be good

 

[RG electrical]

If you look at the flow chart for notifiable work a fully qualified spark is treated the same as someone doing DIY with NO knowledge at all!!
Its a joke ...........Nice eic and napit are just money making schemes and are a bloody disgrace!!!
In my view if your a FULLY qualified spark with your test & inspect under your belt thats all you should need !!!
Part P was a big mistake ..none of this has got rid of cowboys in fact its given them credibility ......im sure like me you have all come across their poor workman ship !
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

 

[shanky887614]

Eng, the C&G 2365 is a 3 day a week course. It is a technical qual. It replaced the old 2330. Its not an apprenticeship. It takes two years I think.




Jay

the 2356 is the old nvq and the nvq is now the 2357 nvq diploma bassically 2330+2356= nvq+tech cert for one fee.

it gets confusing because 2356 is a tech cert but 2365 is an nvq and easy to mistake it because of a typo