I answered that. The regs we all go by.Are you going to tell me which Regs you refer to in #8.
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I answered that. The regs we all go by.Are you going to tell me which Regs you refer to in #8.
No sir, precision turned brass.Cut bolts of course.
No sir, precision turned brass.
made by a uk manufacturer.
There are many of them, if you could list one it might help.I answered that. The regs we all go by.
There might be a reason they are so hard to come by.The only troll here is YOU. You have been provocative from the beginning.
Now back to the prime point of the thread. Do you know where these solid links are available?
Will you suggest another solution.Have you thought about looking at this from a different perspective, rather than fixating on one particular 'solution'?
Why would you ever need to access such a fuse? if it has blown the appliance is faulty and will need to be pulled out to repair it anyway, at which point the fuse becomes accessible...Trolling I see.
So which Regs.I answered that. The regs we all go by.
Will you suggest another solution.
A 15A round pin is suitale but it us the shark makers warrantees that is the problem
You are on some sort of wind up! Or have you been on the weekend tipple?So which Regs.
Will you suggest another solution.Doesn't even make sense. And you are just avoiding the questions asked.
Will you suggest another solution.
A 15A round pin is suitable, but it us the shark makers warrantees that is the problem.
Read back on the thread.
I always use solid links in my old table lamps which have that nice single insulated twisted flex, 3 amp fuses are rubbish and need replacing far too often when my old stock Chinese 150w bulbs blow, they only last a couple of weeks usually so I reckon I've saved £££s in fuses.
Duh, the regs, you know, the regs we all know.... can't believe you have to ask really....the regs....In #8 you referred to Regs, which Regs?
I always use solid links in my old table lamps which have that nice single insulated twisted flex, 3 amp fuses are rubbish and need replacing far too often when my old stock Chinese 150w bulbs blow, they only last a couple of weeks usually so I reckon I've saved £££s in fuses.
I think I might be on a winner here!!I will sell you as many as you like for your own personal use.
£12.50 each with a minimum order quantity of 100.
lead time 14 days.
We follow many Regulations so I am interested which one you are referring to.You are on some sort of wind up! Or have you been on the weekend tipple?
Will you suggest another solution.
A 15A round pin is suitale but it us the shark makers warrantees that is the problem
Having inaccessible fuses is a no, no. Obvious.Why would you ever need to access such a fuse? if it has blown the appliance is faulty and will need to be pulled out to repair it anyway, at which point the fuse becomes accessible...
Is that for fun?Why bother trying to get solid fuse links XD
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I enjoyed putting it together this evening.Is that for fun?
The thread is about two points:The most obvious solution that sprang to my apprentice's mind has since been suggested in post #36 - you have a fused spur above, so stick a flex outlet below.
This ain't rocket science and you're seriously overthinking a problem that's very unlikely to occur. How many such 'inaccessible' fuses have you had to replace and what caused those fuses to blow?
Define inaccessible and as I have asked on several times which Regulations are you referring to.Having inaccessible fuses is a no, no. Obvious.
Have fuses accessible like in say an FCU, which is also an isolator as as well.
If you have evidence of point 2 ever being enforced by a manufacturer successfully I'd be very surprised.The thread is about two points:
1) Where to buy solid links for 13A plugs?
2) Manufacturers not honouring warrantees because a moulded plug is cut off to hard wire the appliance or fit a round pin fuseless 15A plug.
Very neatly done too, but there's no live pin sticking out of the other side eh ? ?
Many Sparks do all sorts not to invalidate the warrantee. I am sure in court the makers would lose of an applaince conform to current regs and it is electrically safe and sound. But that is no comfort when the maker is being awkward. Electricians do not want the hassle factor, even if they know they are right, It loses them time and money.If you have evidence of point 2 ever being enforced by a manufacturer successfully I'd be very surprised.
I have provided you with a quote but not received an order yet.The thread is about two points:
1) Where to buy solid links for 13A plugs?
2) Manufacturers not honouring warrantees because a moulded plug is cut off to hard wire the appliance or fit a round pin fuseless 15A plug.
The thread is about two points:
2) Manufacturers not honouring warrantees because a moulded plug is cut off to hard wire the appliance or fit a round pin fuseless 15A plug.
Again what Regs are you referring to. Are you ever going to confirm this.Many Sparks do all sorts not to invalidate the warrantee. I am sure in court the makers would lose of an applaince conform to current regs and it is electrically safe and sound. But that is no comfort when the maker is being awkward. Electricians do not want the hassle factor, even if they know they are right, It loses them time and money.
Again what Regs are you referring to. Are you ever going to confirm this.
To boldly Troll where no Troll has gone before.The thread is about two points:
1) Where to buy solid links for 13A plugs?
2) Manufacturers not honouring warrantees because a moulded plug is cut off to hard wire the appliance or fit a round pin fuseless 15A plug.
Just beat me to it !!!There's ordinary trolling and there's superior-quality trolling that asks relevant and provocative questions which seems to be one of the OP's gambits. In this case even after 85 posts I am not convinced the correct answer has been stated explicitly and while acknowledging the trollish nature of the posting this suggests that it is not actually a 'silly question.'
My understanding is this: To supply or fit a plug or modify the installation of a plug on a domestic appliance in a professional capacity, is to place such a plug or modification on the market. It is therefore required to comply with the 'Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994.' Part I requires that any plug designed to engage in a socket-outlet made to the dimensions of BS1363:1984 must incorporate a fuse-link to BS 1362. Since the solid link does not comply with BS1362, even if the plug complies with BS1363 and the completed installation as a whole provides no lesser degree of safety than it would with a BS1362 fuse-link fitted, the act of supplying the modified plug is in contravention of the P&S(S)R which is a product safety regulation not under the scope of BS7671 and cannot be exempted within a BS7671 departure.
Please do not be distracted by the option in section 6 paragraph (2) '...shall contain or be accompanied by a fuse link...' which appears to condone taping an approved fuse-link to the outside of the plug fitted with a solid link. I do not think that is a valid interpretation.
The Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994
These Regulations re–enact with modifications the provisions of the Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1987 (S.I. 1987/603) and make provision for the first time for certain requirements to be satisfied in relation to appliances.www.legislation.gov.uk
Ah ! You've been very creative and borrowed a 2nd neutral pin from another plug ! ?
Ah ! You've been very creative and borrowed a 2nd neutral pin from another plug ! ?
Had a conversation with an appliance engineer a good few years ago on this subject and his response was there is no problem cutting a moulded plug off and replacing it with a plug there is also no problem hard wiring into a flex outlet plate but if a warranty repair is needed then it will have to be disconnected and a plug fitted before the engineer arrives as the only safe isolation procedure they are taught is to remove the plug from the socket outletI say some manufacturers try to side step warrantee claims by nick picking, and one is that the moulded plug may be not removed. It may be replaced by a sound and safe plug to regs, but they try and fob you off. It may be that the appliance is hard wired in, they will still try and fob you off so they will not pay.
In a hidden position, a 15A round pin fuseless plug and socket can be fitted on the appliance, with an FCU above. Then only one fuse to blow.Been waiting a few days, thought we might have got the century, but here’s my thoughts.
Leave the moulded plug on the appliance, 13A fuse.
Switch fuse above counter with less than 13A fuse… 10 or 5 even.
With a bit of luck, the lesser fuse blows first.
Otherwise…. A bit of planning beforehand negates this completely. Socket for appliance in accessible space in adjacent cabinet.
In a hidden position, a 15A round pin fuseless plug and socket can be fitted on the appliance, with an an FCU above. Then only one fuse to blow.
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