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  1. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    wondering what’s being taught in college these days,to the apprentices.
    Cause when they come on site,they certainly aint being taught like us seniors were.
    Eg stripping of conductors,many use pliers or side cutters,they do not bend conductors over,up to 2.5mm.
    Conduit skills to be admired from a distance.
     
  2. Pete999
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    Three words "Fast track training"or "Get Qualified quick"
     
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  3. Rob
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    Most modern "cheap" terminals are not constructed to take a conductor bent over.

    They now teach not to do this anymore.
     
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  4. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    Change of times I guess,always found if not bent over,they can break,especially 1.0mm,even before you screw the switch back.
     
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  5. Pete999
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    As an extra: You have 2 stranded conductors, do you twist them together and connect, or twist them singly and connect or strip them and try and get the 2 stranded conductors connected, not talking about flex type conductors.
     
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  6. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    The title, you did that for effect didn't you.

    I don't always bend over, but always strip off, when appropriate. :)
     
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  7. Pete999
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    Can't honestly see what there is to disagree with Baddegg, I simply asked three questions, can you explain the part you disagree with, Question 1,2 or 3?
     
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  8. littlespark
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    Never twist two conductors together. Makes it awkward when it comes to separating again for testing etc.

    I still bend over conductors up to 2.5mm.
    Single cores can break in screw connectors. WAGOs have to be single though.

    And stripping cables? I thought the college tool boxes would have proper wire strippers. Using pliers, you can cut through too easily.
     
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  9. ferg
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    For me Pete I was taught method 2 for coarse stranded cable.
    Method 1 for coarse stranded cable was likely to damage said cable.

    I remember reading a study on termination methods for meter tails, obviously terminated Singly, and there was no difference in the effectiveness of the termination between twisting into a single conductor and not.
     
  10. Pete999
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    Me too, although as an Apprentice I was always told that twisting 2 stranded cable together made the CSA that much largerm thereby filling the terminal up thus making the connection better, soon ditched that method when I finished my Apprenticeship, some 5 years later.
     
  11. Wilko
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    I bend over single conductors up to 2.5mm.
    I could've said "I'm a fan of bending over so the screw bites in better, using my favourite tool". But that would've sounded a bit strange, so I didn't.

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  12. Rob
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    Rob Control System Engineer Respected Member

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    On that note. 2 x 2.5mm conductors will carry more current than 1 x 5mm conductor.
     
  13. Pete999
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    Yes maybe but only for the 3/4 of an inch, or so, that is shoved in the terminal.
     
  14. Rob
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    Rob Control System Engineer Respected Member

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    Sorry my point wasn't clear.

    The ccc of 2 x 2.5mm conductors is greater than 1 x 5mm conductor.
     
  15. davesparks
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    When I was an apprentice I learned all of these practical skills on site with my mentor, college was where we learned theory.
     
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