Supply Issues Building Materials ...

[Dustydazzler]

Building projects hit by lack of supplies and price rises

Industry warns people to delay home improvement due to shortage of cement, electric components, timber and steel.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[pc1966]

I saw that, other than the price of cable not seen too much evidence. Mind you, the DIY places like Screwfix and Toolstation are often out of quite a lot of stock.

 

[Moley]

Guy I work with is doing some building work at home. His supplier has told him they cant get bricks for a few months. Another supplier offered him half the amount he needs for double the price.

 

[dodger421]

I can believe it given the shortage and price increases on timber I’ve experienced.

Yesterday I was trying to get hold of some car sized 18mm plywood, all the local sheds were more or less out of stock of and I didn’t have a van for the bigger stuff. Ended up getting the very last bit off the shelf in one of the nearby B&Q’s

Similarly I bought some laminated pine boards for some shelving and cabinet making in the middle of March from Wickes. 18mmx400mmx2350mm was £35.92, a week later it was up to £49.31 and still is. Same story with the other sheds, although it is available cheaper from timber merchants with about three weeks lead time.

 

[Dustydazzler]

my brother in law is a landscaper and he reckons some of his trade materials have gone up 125% against what he was paying roughly this time last year.
He quoted a job 5 months ago for £18,000 , he has now had to re-quote at £20,000 just because of materials inflation

 

[LukeD]

60% due on all timber end of june by according to "Builders depot" . Within central london , best money right now id been a chef or hotel manager .They are really begging for them

 

[Mike Johnson]

60% due on all timber end of june by according to "Builders depot" . Within central london , best money right now id been a chef or hotel manager .They are really begging for them

Are they good at bricklaying and carpentry then?

 

[LukeD]

Are they good at bricklaying and carpentry then?

They can earn more now ! Restaurants cannot find good staff etc .Its a nightmare for them .

 

[Dustydazzler]

£600 a day and I would wait tables no problem

 

[pc1966]

£600 a day and I would wait tables no problem

Pretty sure we all would!

I suspect you need to be a good chef, in the right place, to get that sort of a wage.

 

[nicebutdim]

I saw that, other than the price of cable not seen too much evidence. Mind you, the DIY places like Screwfix and Toolstation are often out of quite a lot of stock.

Screwfix had real issues recently (along with B&Q) as a huge amount of Kingfisher group products were wedged in the Suez canal.

 

[Micktw68]

The building Firm I sub to is struggling to get the basics , red stocks, type 1 and cement are all in short supply. He’s having to buy from as for north as Leicestershire ,and has started using reclaimed crushed tarmac as a substitute for type 1 on the driveways. It stinks.

 

[LukeD]

Local suppliers around north london are only allowing 5 bags cement per account /customer . I wonder if Cable will see a sudden rise ?

 

[MJPD29]

Local suppliers around north london are only allowing 5 bags cement per account /customer . I wonder if Cable will see a sudden rise ?

It already has

 

[Dustydazzler]

Best price I can find for 2.5 locally is screwfix £65 inc vat

 

[LukeD]

It already has

I mean a REAL sudden rise like a extra 40% by july etc ????

 

[Dustydazzler]

I mean a REAL sudden rise like a extra 40% by july etc ????

Just check screwfix or toolstation each month and that will tell you if prices are going up

 

[UNG]

Screwfix had real issues recently (along with B&Q) as a huge amount of Kingfisher group products were wedged in the Suez canal.

If the ship you are referring to is the Evergiven it is still in the Suez canal and not likely to move until the recovery costs and compensation is sorted out by the courts, the containers on that ship will also cost more to land as the carrier has called "General Average" to cover the costs and losses

 

[OnlQQker]

In todays newspaper...

Supply shortage of cement, timber and paint puts DIY jobs on hold

Shortages of vital construction materials as the third national lockdown eases, like timber, mean the UK home renovation industry is facing the biggest surge in prices for more than two decades.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MJPD29]

I mean a REAL sudden rise like a extra 40% by july etc ????

It's 50% since December in some cases

 

[LukeD]

It's 50% since December in some cases

so that could mean nearly 100% in 6 months ? ??

 

[MJPD29]

so that could mean nearly 100% in 6 months ? ??

The way it's currently rising I wouldn't be surprised

 

[Rockingit]

I'm finally expecting today the delivery of some schneider parts that have been on back-order for about six weeks - got stuck on one of the trapped containers in the Suez blockage.

As for timber - I went to my local builders merchant a few weeks back to buy feather-edge and some posts etc to make a 4m fence section and nearly hit the floor - well over £400

 

[nicebutdim]

There has been a huge increase in demand for building supplies as trades get back up to full speed and this has been compounded by a global shortage of containers. I've read that the container issue should resolve itself within the next few months, but it will take a few more months for supplies to trickle down the chain.

While demand continues to outstrip supply, it is likely that every link in that supply chain will continue to avail of reduced competition in order to maximise profits. Cable prices would further be subjected to recent increases in the price of copper.

It's difficult to trade in such conditions - bulk buying guarantees cost prices for future work, which can then be quoted at market rates to increase margins, but that also opens a business to the risk of loss when prices drop. Not laying in stock means that you're subject to market fluctuations and the risk of finding materials unavailable. I think the time for bulk buying has long since passed and it's probably better to write a clause into quotations, to cover the issues of availability and increases in wholesale prices.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I'm finally expecting today the delivery of some schneider parts that have been on back-order for about six weeks - got stuck on one of the trapped containers in the Suez blockage.

As for timber - I went to my local builders merchant a few weeks back to buy feather-edge and some posts etc to make a 4m fence section and nearly hit the floor - well over £400

I wanted a feather board fence when we took out massive hedge out.
the materials for a 30 ish foot length came out to nearly £900.

materials for standard panels / concrete posts came to £500 ish

 

[UNG]

There has been a huge increase in demand for building supplies as trades get back up to full speed and this has been compounded by a global shortage of containers. I've read that the container issue should resolve itself within the next few months, but it will take a few more months for supplies to trickle down the chain.

That is the optimistic view, it's not what I've been told by one of my customers who works in international shipping.
The Suez blockage has caused chaos that will go on for many months if not years as ships missed their port slots the berthing schedule jigsaw has had to be rejigged which means some ships do not have enough berth time to fully unload and load the containers that they need to before the next ship is due to dock or tidal limitations would keep it port for far longer than needed so some containers end up on a much longer journey until the ship berths in that port again
Add to that the cost of shipping containers on some routes is at a premium cost as rates have spiralled over the last few months and this is taking ships away from the less lucrative routes
The outlook in the short term for goods that are shipped into the UK is not good and this could go on for possibly a few years from what I'm told

 

[LukeD]

That is the optimistic view, it's not what I've been told by one of my customers who works in international shipping.
The Suez blockage has caused chaos that will go on for many months if not years as ships missed their port slots the berthing schedule jigsaw has had to be rejigged which means some ships do not have enough berth time to fully unload and load the containers that they need to before the next ship is due to dock or tidal limitations would keep it port for far longer than needed so some containers end up on a much longer journey until the ship berths in that port again
Add to that the cost of shipping containers on some routes is at a premium cost as rates have spiralled over the last few months and this is taking ships away from the less lucrative routes
The outlook in the short term for goods that are shipped into the UK is not good and this could go on for possibly a few years from what I'm told

I agree . The knock on effect will be huge .

 

[Dustydazzler]

Price Inflation

Travis Perkins warns of price rises amid shortage of raw materials

Industry-wide shortages mean the builders' merchant will charge more for cement, chipboard and paint.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dustydazzler]

Price has already gone up £3 since the last drum I purchased in May

https://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/prysmian-6242y-grey-2-5mm-twin-earth-cable-100m-drum/20967

 

[Dustydazzler]

I was in screwfix today and picked up prysmian 2.5 100m rolls for £54 inc vat Which is over 10 quid less than I paid last week.
might be worth quickly stocking up at that price

 

[MJPD29]

I was in screwfix today and picked up prysmian 2.5 100m rolls for £54 inc vat Which is over 10 quid less than I paid last week.
might be worth quickly stocking up at that price

Mad how it can change so fast

 

[Dustydazzler]

Mad how it can change so fast

Thursday or Friday last week I paid £67 for a roll, today I paid £54

im tempted to back in the morning and pick up another 2 rolls

 

[MJPD29]

Thursday or Friday last week I paid £67 for a roll, today I paid £54

im tempted to back in the morning and pick up another 2 rolls

Cef website says 74.34 Inc vat today so would be well worth picking some up at that price

Edit
In fact 54 is cheaper than any other price I can see online

 

[nicebutdim]

Thursday or Friday last week I paid £67 for a roll, today I paid £54

im tempted to back in the morning and pick up another 2 rolls

Bring one back as a return from last week's order ?

 

[WallaceP]

Bring one back as a return from last week's order ?

Thats what i would be doing!

 

[Dustydazzler]

Back to £67 today, I reckon the £54 price yesterday must have been a pricing error

 

[WallaceP]

Back to £67 today, I reckon the £54 price yesterday must have been a pricing error

Bugger, I should have gotten some yesterday

 

[nicebutdim]

Back to £67 today, I reckon the £54 price yesterday must have been a pricing error

Funnily enough a product I'd considered buying from them had gone up by £10 yesterday.

Just checked and it's still at the higher price today. Maybe they're trialling Alibaba style yoyo pricing.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Funnily enough a product I'd considered buying from them had gone up by £10 yesterday.

Just checked and it's still at the higher price today. Maybe they're trialling Alibaba style yoyo pricing.

I had this with a fancy lunch box I bought off Amazon , it was £27 , I saw it for £17 so bought it , the next day it was £13 then back up to £27

buying stuff these days feels like a game of chicken

 

[Dustydazzler]

Prysmian 2.5 just paid £70 for a roll in screwfix

 

[Mike Johnson]

Has inflation really gone that mad, or is it all down to supply and demand, (rhetorical) I can remember buying 100M of 2.5mm T&E for £12.00 from TLC, but then I am as old as telectrix who I am sure will remember that price too.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Has inflation really gone that mad, or is it all down to supply and demand, (rhetorical) I can remember buying 100M of 2.5mm T&E for £12.00 from TLC, but then I am as old as telectrix who I am sure will remember that price too.

I throw out a load of old edmundsons receipts last year (the old hand written ones).

I had 2.5 at £17.00 100m , 1.5 at 13.00 and 1m at a £9 all plus vat , receipts dated back to about 2003 ish

cable certainly was cheap back then…

 

[nicebutdim]

Has inflation really gone that mad, or is it all down to supply and demand, (rhetorical) I can remember buying 100M of 2.5mm T&E for £12.00 from TLC, but then I am as old as telectrix who I am sure will remember that price too.

Metal prices would having an impact and supply of raw materials is probably a significant factor in this instance.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I watched an interesting video on youtube about the root causes of product shortages and in turn price increases.
This video is well worth a watch, explained it clearly

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Prysmian 2.5 just paid £70 for a roll in screwfix

£64.80 in Rexel this week. They are selling it a few quid below screwfix now. same in denmans.
If you go on to the rexel website this weekend use code flash25 you get £25 off a £150 spend
If you go to Denmans you can get 10% off any order using code CAC8920221 it is meant for people who are on checkatrade but it doesnt crosscheck so happy shopping folks

 

[UNG]

I watched an interesting video on youtube about the root causes of product shortages and in turn price increases.
This video is well worth a watch, explained it clearly

Interesting video but didn't explain very well or give the real reason why ships are queuing up at ports, talking to one of my customers whose works in worldwide shipping the market has become a bit skewed because more ships are being transferred to the routes where there is more money to be made because the shipping rates have increased and are therefore more profitable, then there was the Evergiven blockage in the Suez canal this caused delays to many ships and resulted in ships arriving in ports out of there timetabled sequence which meant they could not neccessarily dock when they wanted to add to this any port issues during their allotted time alongside which delay the unloading / loading and some ships are sailing with containers that should have been unloaded and are leaving containers on the dockside that should have been loaded. As my customer said the Suez canal block will have a knock on effect for many many months while the ports rebuild their schedule jigsaw to maximise the dock meterage they have available to the length of the ships coming into port

 

[Mike Johnson]

Metal prices would having an impact and supply of raw materials is probably a significant factor in this instance.

And the fact that most of the world labour/workforce will no longer work for just a bowl of rice.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Screwfix cable price seems to be holding steady

got a roll of prysmian 2.5 100m yesterday still £70

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

copper has gone down a bit in the last week or two and will slowly work its way back into the suppliers

 

[Rockingit]

Interesting video but didn't explain very well or give the real reason why ships are queuing up at ports, talking to one of my customers whose works in worldwide shipping the market has become a bit skewed because more ships are being transferred to the routes where there is more money to be made because the shipping rates have increased and are therefore more profitable, then there was the Evergiven blockage in the Suez canal this caused delays to many ships and resulted in ships arriving in ports out of there timetabled sequence which meant they could not neccessarily dock when they wanted to add to this any port issues during their allotted time alongside which delay the unloading / loading and some ships are sailing with containers that should have been unloaded and are leaving containers on the dockside that should have been loaded. As my customer said the Suez canal block will have a knock on effect for many many months while the ports rebuild their schedule jigsaw to maximise the dock meterage they have available to the length of the ships coming into port

Brexshaft has also had a massive impact on anything to do with moving goods, even across the UK. I was talking this morning with a client who has a base in Oxford and a base in N.I. They used to just freely send trucks between the two places ad-hoc as both are in the U.K. but now with this EU border down the Irish Sea they actually have to do customs dockets and carnets for every single individual item. It's utter madness.