What percentage of Sparks voted Brexit?

[Midwest]

Absolutely 100% agree. It's pathetic and unfortunately our educational system is churning out indoctrinated leftist sheep at a surprising rate.

I can't agree with you there.

I've, well 'we've' turned out two young men. I have probably got such 'leftie' views as you've mentioned, even though I'm a right winger

I think most parents would kinda indoctrinate their views on their children, but I would say they are right out on there on the right or a bit lefter, not biased by my views or that of any schooling etc.

Think you've been reading too many stories from the media, that do not reflect the views of the masses.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I wonder if oliver cromwell turning in his grave when we gave our laws to the T@@Ts in Brussels. Lol , just thinking about the song bye bye baby by by .by the the bay city rollers .

 

[SparkyChick]

Most of the posts on this thread come from the right, but I've not seen any from the left on here that try to stop the debate by doing what you say.

Firstly... no, you've not seen any one trying to stop debate in this thread because most people on here are adult enough to have a conversation. They are capable of listening to other peoples opinions.

Secondly... the right. You've assumed I'm on the right. Next stop, ----, calling at alt-right and far-right!

If anything it's the right who try to detract from the argument with stupid childish insults.

Really???

Better to be called a whiny leftist sheep than be branded a racist, sexist or anti-semite for example. Being known as a leftist sheep isn't going to ruin your life but being branded the later has a proven detrimental effect.

Just out of interest, would being able to justify my choice of words elevate them from 'stupid childish insult' to 'opinion'?

The list is a lot longer than that SC, I find it sad that you can feel no pride in these achievements and what Britian has done. I know I do, but then I do come from the left.

You're putting words in my mouth... did I say I have no pride in our country? Quite the opposite. And the list is hardly exhaustive it's just a few, in my opinion, well chosen examples that have had a major positive global impact.

So no examples then?

They are examples of the tactics used by the left to silence those they disagree with.

If you want a real world example, I nearly lost my career because I was branded a racist by my boss (herself a minority - the L of LGBT - who's personal mission was to address the inequality in the company I was working for at the time) because I highlighted how an individual she insisted on interviewing had links (as in he held some fairly senior positions) to an organisation that had since been banned by the government for it's connections to terrorism and another that was under investigation for financial irregularities (read fraud) to the tune of £250,000 of government money. Shortly thereafter I was also accused of physically assaulting her.

I can't agree with you there.

And that's fine. Because what I wrote was my opinion. Do I think everyone who goes into university will end up an indoctrinated whiny leftist sheep? No. But there is a significant number who do who go on to form the small vocal minority that are driving the politically correct agenda.

An agenda that is slowly but surely curtailing our ability to have discussions about things we really do need to discuss as a nation.

Think you've been reading too many stories from the media, that do not reflect the views of the masses.

I don't pay any attention to the mainstream media because I'm sick and tired of hearing about gender inequality, the promotion of things like non-binary genders and their complete and utter lack of reporting on some truly horrifying stories of events from around Europe and the wider world.

 

[johnduffell]

If you want to get anywhere together, first you have to work out what you have in common, then build on that too over come differences.
I think perhaps the two groups, however you want to characterise them agree that the world is full of good people trying to do their best in the world.
Where i think things diverge, is where people are unable to have the life they want due to factors beyond their control.
People who benefit from diversity etc are obviously more likely to support that, but people who are harmed by it are not going to be inclined to support it.
I don't want to say too much in case i distract from my point, but I'm basically saying we are mostly good people just trying to get along.
The rest, unfortunately ended up in charge of the world's biggest countries and economies, i can't see any normal well adjusted person going for that job!

 

[andyb]

Firstly... no, you've not seen any one trying to stop debate in this thread because most people on here are adult enough to have a conversation. They are capable of listening to other peoples opinions.

I said no one from the left, plenty of childish insults from the right.

Secondly... the right. You've assumed I'm on the right. Next stop, ----, calling at alt-right and far-right!

You and JK brought the word ---- in this thread SC

Really???

Better to be called a whiny leftist sheep than be branded a racist, sexist or anti-semite for example. Being known as a leftist sheep isn't going to ruin your life but being branded the later has a proven detrimental effect.

I don't mind being called a whiny leftist sheep SC, who called who a racist, sexist or anti-semite?

Just out of interest, would being able to justify my choice of words elevate them from 'stupid childish insult' to 'opinion'?

No, whiny leftist sheep is a silly childish insult, that's all.
Not to say you dont have an opinion.

You're putting words in my mouth... did I say I have no pride in our country? Quite the opposite. And the list is hardly exhaustive it's just a few, in my opinion, well chosen examples that have had a major positive global impact.

Er

If wanting our country to have pride in itself again and be proud of the global contributions we've made

You certainly intimated that you can't have pride in your country untill we leave the EU.

 

[GBDamo]

“If you’re not left wing as a youth you have no heart, if you’re still left wing as an adult you have no brain”

There are hundreds of variants of this unattributed quote and of course it is a sweeping generalisation.

... so try not to worry too much about the snowflakes as most of them will grow out of it. Those that don’t work for the BBC, those that are too snowflakey for the BBC work for Channel 4 News.

 

[GBDamo]

You're wrong there GB, they will still blame anyone or thing than blame themselves.
When we have a hard brexit, which is looking like the only outcome now after Chequers, and the country suffers as, it will, it will be the EU's fault, the remainers fault, foreigners fault, everyone but theirs.

Blame is not the best word.

I prefer Obfuscation , squid inking, smoke screening.

It’s our governments way of enacting law they know to be unpopular under the guise of the “big boy made me do it”

 

[JK-Electrical]

Absolutely 100% agree. It's pathetic and unfortunately our educational system is churning out indoctrinated leftist sheep at a surprising rate.

Universities, colleges and schools should be filled with ideas and discourse that challenge those involved to think about things, including things they don't want to think about. Instead they are filled with safe spaces and trigger warnings.

As for gender vs. sex.... sex is a biological fact, gender is a social construct and can it seems be varied based on feelings. Unfortunately facts beat feelings everytime.

The left talk about individuals but actually what they are doing is collecting people into groups based on arbitrary facets of their biology/character in order to allow them to gain victim status and thus gain the upper hand on 'normal' people.

The piece linked to below is wordy, but is demonstrative of just how out of control cultural Marxism and political-correctness has become across the pond. It also demonstrates the level of indoctrination that is taking place. Unfortunately, this sorry state of affairs is pretty much the same over here too.

Pamphlet: Leftist Indoctrination in Our K-12 Public Schools - https://stopk12indoctrination.org/2018/03/30/stop-indoctrinating-our-children

I wholly reject cultural Marxism along with all forms of political-correctness. I do not consent. I will not comply.

 

[Des 56]

You don't have to be on the right or on the left to have voted out

You just needed to have no regard for the younger generation

Its they who will reap the dividend of joblessness,travel restriction and poverty that the mainly older generation inflicted on them( perhaps for many years) until we come to our senses and return to the fold with our tails deservedly dangling between our legs

Anyone over 45 should never have been permitted to vote and those who did and voted out should be utterly ashamed of their actions

I voted remain

 

[SparkyChick]

I said no one from the left, plenty of childish insults from the right.

Hardly plenty, but hey... who's counting right

I don't mind being called a whiny leftist sheep SC, who called who a racist, sexist or anti-semite?

This is a straw man. I've not claimed anyone on here has called me any of those things. What I've said is that those labels are used by the left to brand what someone says as hate speech. I used the example of criticising a particular religion... do that and there is a good chance someone on the left will call you a racist.

I went on to point out that those labels can destroy careers and ruin lives... again, a tactic of the left to intimidate those they disagree with into silence.

Er

You certainly intimated that you can't have pride in your country untill we leave the EU.

What I said is I would like to see our country have a sense of pride again, that's all. If you look back over the thread I have elaborated my views on this in another post. #89 I believe.