White PVC twin and earth

[m4fiaafg]

Hello can anyone tell me whether white PVC twin and earth is still allowed to be used. I knw it was made obsolete in 2008 but was just unsure if it is acceptable to use and also to get the job certified. Cheers in advance

 

[Octopus]

Why would you install a new job with min 5 year old cable?

 

[derek]

The LSZH cable we use has a white sheath

 

[monkeyhanger]

I thought white meant low smoke? Has this changed?
I have seen lots of white T&E used on old DIY jobs, but I doubt that was LS

 

[snowhead]

Better tell Screwfix it's been banned;

6242BH Twin & Earth Cable White 6mm x 100m | NoLinkingToThis

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Better tell Screwfix it's been banned;

6242BH Twin & Earth Cable White 6mm x 100m | NoLinkingToThis

Don't spoil it!

 

[varilite]

I miss the white

 

[m4fiaafg]

It was used on a rewire, not my own, it is not LS just electric ie basic sockets and lights

 

[Adam W]

The insulation should be brown (line) and blue (neutral).
The colour of the sheath doesn't make a blind bit of difference, although manufacturers tend to use a white sheath to denote LS0H, and a grey sheath for PVC.

 

[telectrix]

The LSZH cable we use has a white sheath

and it's a tw*t to strip.

 

[snowhead]

The insulation should be brown (line) and blue (neutral).
The colour of the sheath doesn't make a blind bit of difference, although manufacturers tend to use a white sheath to denote LS0H, and a grey sheath for PVC.

I've just read that somewhere else???

 

[Adam W]

I've just read that somewhere else???

Where?

 

[Engineer54]

For as far back as i can remember T&E came in white or grey, and as far as i remember there wasn't a blind bit of difference!!

 

[Dave 85]

The colour of the sheath is irrelevant. If the conductors are red and black and it was installed recently then I'd say they should probably be sleeved blue and brown in order to conform.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The colour of the sheath is irrelevant. If the conductors are red and black and it was installed recently then I'd say they should probably be sleeved blue and brown in order to conform.

depends how recent....if before harmonisation then a 2 different versions sticker at origin will do...

 

[Engineer54]

Don't think the question of old colours came up in the OP's query!! As for white sheaths now being classified as LSF, i think that ALL cables insulation and sheaths should be LSF, it's got to make perfectly good sense. I know that all the cables on my projects over the last 20 years or so, certainly have been....

 

[kingeri]

Regardless of sheath colour, cables are generally stamped with all the necessary info anyway..

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

and it's a tw*t to strip.

a couple of years ago we started a install around this time of year, all LSF. Second fix was January + Febuary. I have never hated my job as much as stripping this cable in sub zero temps! Must have smacked myself with my snips well over 10 times with them slipping off! And then to top it all off i bought a new car and the reg plates last 3 letters were LSF!

 

[kingeri]

Haha! The last three letters of my last reg were MFT.

 

[Engineer54]

a couple of years ago we started a install around this time of year, all LSF. Second fix was January + Febuary. I have never hated my job as much as stripping this cable in sub zero temps! Must have smacked myself with my snips well over 10 times with them slipping off! And then to top it all off i bought a new car and the reg plates last 3 letters were LSF!

All PVC insulation and sheathed cables would be the same in very low tempretures...
Unfortunately it's just one of PVC's drawbacks, it don't like being very cold and below 0c it shouldn't really be worked on!! lol!!

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Personally I still have a stash with red a black core makes it perfect for when you don't want to put an RCD on something know one will ever know

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Personally I still have a stash with red a black core makes it perfect for when you don't want to put an RCD on something know one will ever know

Means you can fill out a PIR back dated too. Free tip for you guys

 

[scotsparky]

Doing things like that give the trade a bad name and make you look like a cowboy.
Do it right and be honeat with clients and they will stay with you

 

[telectrix]

or sleeve the ends with mickey mouse brown/blue.

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Doing things like that give the trade a bad name and make you look like a cowboy.
Do it right and be honeat with clients and they will stay with you

Obviously a sarcastic joke mate

 

[Guest111]

When Part P first came out I met a guy on the car boot,buying up as much red and black as he could I pointed out to him that they were old colours and was amazed at the answer he gave.Apparently he was rewiring his house and was going to do it himself,by using the old colours he said he wouldn't need to get a spark because nobody would know it was done after part P came in.

 

[atm84]

Years ago, talking circa over 10 years white twin and earth was sold in DIY stores and grey twin and earth wasn't available. I was informed by my senior that this was so an electrician could tell if a DIYer had been having a go at their electrics, whether this was true or not. Most recently white twin and earth denotes that that cable is low smoke and fume.

 

[telectrix]

the DIY stores sold T/E in white with white clips, so that mr. diy bodger could clip it to his white skirting board and it would not look a complete pig's breakfast.

 

[Dcf]

When I was an apprentice my gaffer used to make us use white t&e for fire alarm points and mi for the sounders so you could tell it apart from normal circuits.
this was pre red mi/fp fire cabling.
im sure it was Pirelli.
any white I've seen recently is lsf which is indeed a pest to strip.

 

[Kate]

and it's a tw*t to strip.

Aint it just. Smashed myself in face many times thanks to LSF stripping..usually sub zero temps too