Who Are You Registered With?

[Spudnik]

As above really.

Let us know who you use to notify your installations and give us a little explanation why.

Please keep to the topic.

 

[kung]

Hi Jason
Not yet registered but will get assessed soon will prob go with the NIC mainly as most people/customers know who they are and have most dvds/books they do so might look a bit bad if got elecsa/napit assessed etc.

 

[sparkystevo]

hi jason,

i am with the niceic, my reasoning on this is that if you have to be with an organisation you may as well be with the one the general public is aware of. saying that i know of three local sparkys who have recently changed to elecsa am keeping an eye on the situation.

stevo

 

[flukey]

just registered with niceic.
only reaon is that this is the name 99.9% of customers are familiar with
if the other schemes raise their public profile i wouldnt have a problem with elecsa or napit as they both seem very popular

 

[j_mccl]

I am registered with Elecsa, never been registred with anyone else because i have only been self employed for 4 years. i have found them to be very helpfull with the assessment procedure, easy to notify jobs with and have a good technical hep department.

 

[hungy5]

my mate who used to be with Nic then went over to Napit.....soon later he then went back to NIC. due to Insurance issue, he was said alot of insurance company doesn't want to know Napit, but you with Nic then it's easy. Even thought Nic is much more expensive.!!!!......well hope it help....!!!

 

[Modernelectric]

I have been looking into this and corgi and elecsa have similar prices... i would choose one of those over the others. At the end of the day all i need to be is part p compliant so i dont really fancy spending a fortune in the process, and i gather NIC are rather expensive.

 

[flukey]

I have been looking into this and corgi and elecsa have similar prices... i would choose one of those over the others. At the end of the day all i need to be is part p compliant so i dont really fancy spending a fortune in the process, and i gather NIC are rather expensive.

all the schemes prices are comparable unless you want to include periodics then nic are out of touch
i based my choice on asking people with no knowledge of the electrical industry but had only ever heard of niceic and that is why they look for niceic when looking for a spark

 

[Mr.Si]

I'm not registered yet, but when I do, I'll go with the ECA. I have heard it from others that the NICEIC look after the customer and not the electrician. Whereas, the ECA look after the electrician and are helpful to them. That was enough to make my mind up. I'm only just nearing the end of my Level 2 at the moment, (Unit 3&4 assessment is 9 days away).

 

[flukey]

I'm not registered yet, but when I do, I'll go with the ECA. I have heard it from others that the NICEIC look after the customer and not the electrician. Whereas, the ECA look after the electrician and are helpful to them. That was enough to make my mind up. I'm only just nearing the end of my Level 2 at the moment, (Unit 3&4 assessment is 9 days away).

ive heard the same mr.si but i would rather have my phone ringing with customers who want an niceic registered spark than a helpline that is easier to use

 

[harvey]

Hi Guts do any of you know much to register with niceic is per year and their inspections charges are thanks

 

[kung]

Hi Harvey
Think its about £450 inc VAT all in best to give them a quick call for price but £450 wont be far wrong.
Regards
Kung.

 

[MTI]

Hi all! newbie here! thanks for my warm welcome so far!

firstly, i dont mean to steal this post but im really interested in this discussion and is one of my top resaons for joining a forum in the first place. by the way, i didnt choose this forum just to join in, in this post! i chose the best

basically im a sole trader and have been a spark for about 12 yrs but only self employed for appox 4rs. 3yrs of this has been subcontracting to firms and agencies etc but i am know trading purely on my own clients. i have been helping a mate/competetor on his contracts recently and he has been able to sign off my work too. its now obviously got to the stage where i need to be part p registered etc myself for obvious reasons or its pointless trading.

i would really appreciate any advice or comments on this process and advice on which body to choose? have had a natter with nic and may opt that route, although my mate is elecsa and is over the moon with their service? anyone else?

i do have some more q's to ask but im a newbie and appreciate this is not my thread! again, hi to all and hi to harvey!

 

[trix]

I used to be niceic years ago.
Now I'm with NAPIT, a real pleasure compared to the "new niceic"

 

[acat]

Not registered yet but going with NICEIC seems to be the best known and Im told you cant get any work from the council without it?

Chris

 

[ron55]

Looking to register just now after decades out of the business. I am probably going to go with NAPIT because they appear to cater for industrial as well as domestic. I could be wrong and welcome any input.

Cheers, Ron

 

[trix]

Ron55,
if you've gone through apprentice training and worked hard all your life in the electrical feild,
kept up with changing regs etc, it really doesn't feel good to be told that you can't do pir's unless you pay more monies by people sitting in chairs all day !!! you can't go wrong with NAPIT. I haven't found any prejudice with councils or other organisations, and if you did, NAPIT actually sort it out.
There is one criteria they insist on, and that's the 2391. As an experienced sparky, it's not really a problem, and NAPIT do give a window of a year to gain it. ( assesors are old sparks and know what they're looking for)
Good luck with who ever you choose....Regards, Kev

 

[Andy Smith]

Not registered to anyone as i am a maintenace manager in a factory. But guess i would proably go with NIC if i wanted to hear the phone ring. But have to say i like schemes that look after thier tradesman like you gentlemen!

 

[sparks1234]

Do I take it that this question is directed at registering part P works?

 

[albi]

niceic fully approved carnet see the point of domestic installer to get charged for add-on’s to do my work. and thay are better know with the gen public

 

[Spudnik]

Do I take it that this question is directed at registering part P works?

Any works, domestic or other.

 

[flukey]

niceic fully approved carnet see the point of domestic installer to get charged for add-on’s to do my work. and thay are better know with the gen public

hi albi,
can you notify domestic works as an approved contractor?? thought they were 2 totally different schemes, domestic and industrial

 

[mags1972]

Hi
I was registered with the NICEIC purely because they were known for being the most well known and hence the best regarded, alledgedly.
My problems with them are simply that they seem to be interested in purely making money from us Electrical contractors. When I went self employed 4 years ago I made the mistake as registering under my name, 3 months after succesfully regsitering I started advertising under my now company name and received a letter off the NICEIC stating I was in breach as I was not registered under my company name even though I am the sole trader. Taking this slap on the wrist I then rang to change my details only to be told that I had to do so in writing and pay a fee of £95 +VAT.
a couple of years ago I let my registration with them lapse and went working for another Electrician full time.
Unfortunately this didn't work out and I again went self employed registering with the NICEIC again, they took my £440 straight away and then took 3 and a half months to get me registered after I had been assesed, lo and behold 12 months after they had took my first £440 they came in and wanted a renewel fee, I pointed out that I had only had 8 and a half months registration and they basically said tough, thats how we work at which point I told them where to go, rang up ELECSA and explained to them, they were brilliant, transferred me to their scheme and I have no complaints at all about them.
One further thing, I still received invoices for my renewel for the NICEIC up to 6 months after leaving after repeated phone calls on my behalf informing them that I had left.
Sorry for the WAR & PEACE essay but I have a bad opininion of the NICEIC like alot of sparks and the sooner more is done to notify people of the other governing bodies the better!!

 

[malcbriggs]

I'm registered with ELECSA,this is my second year with them, but I still can't understand why you need to register, after completing a full Electrical apprentiship(5 years), JIB approved, countless certificates in Electrical, Electronic Engineering, plus a degree in Electronics. Since I left the Electronics industry and set up my own Electrical/Electronics business, but still need Part P!

 

[sparkswillfly]

since part p was introduced it has made no difference to the cowboys trading as there is no real policing.it only has had an effect on the sparks with a conscions (to the tune of £500 a year) sorry for any spelling errors.

 

[ashrow]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

 

[iceman]

hello guys i took the nic route as domestic installer only reason is cos there the most well known and look good on me advertising as i realy need more phone call inquires lol im lookin at goin approved next year as i'll probley be doin commercial stuff and pir reports

 

[sparks1234]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

Don't get your --- bitten

 

[flukey]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

so does that mean none of your jobs get issued with a building notice

 

[sparks1234]

so does that mean none of your jobs get issued with a building notice

Good morning flukey, you do get the feeling someone is going to get bitten hard by this short sightedness

 

[flukey]

Good morning flukey, you do get the feeling someone is going to get bitten hard by this short sightedness

good morning to you too sparks.
it surprises me the cavalier attitude towards registration. none of us like it and if i could get away with it i certainly wouldnt pay it either, however i want to operate within the law
i must say when i mention the 6 year guarantee my work is covered by through the nic that is normally enough for me to win the job so there are some good points to it as well

 

[Mr Mark Sparks]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

 

[sparks1234]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

Thats the point, you either register with as a self cert company or you have the works signed off by your building inspectors dept, what they are doing is inspecting your work, taking your fee and then taking responsibility for it and also registering the job

 

[flukey]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

it depends on how much work you do. normally it costs between £50 and £200 to go labc route and thats for every job some need 24/48 hours notice before work can start work as well
whereas it costs me £1.50 to notify and £1.50 to provide 6 year guarantee through nic and i can start work whenever i feel like it

 

[hasel5]

Nic at present and got site assessment for full on june17

 

[accable]

To register with the NICEIC on the Domestic Installer Scheme currently ( July 09) is £370 +VAT a year, that includes the visit and all the technical support.

 

[ashrow]

Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).

 

[flukey]

Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).

best of luck ash. the annual fee is just another stealth tax we all have to bear and something most sparks disagree with

 

[Rulin]

Hi all

Im registered with the ECA for Commercial and Industrial work and ELECSA for Domestic Installations ,

 

[mags1972]

Hi all,

I was talking to a Gas fitter the other day and he told me their annual fee for the "Gas Safe Register", corgi to most of us was around £250 so can anyone tell me why ours is in excess of £400, my last one just paid was £414 with ELECSA!!! Just seems that we are getting ripped off, it surely cannot cost that much!

 

[marcusone]

Hi All

Registered with NAPIT full scope. Very pleased with the service, couldn't be more helpful.

 

[sparkytel]

Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

 

[petesparks1]

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

 

[sparkytel]

Yes it does indeed LOL

 

[flukey]

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

so does the figures at the top of the page, more sparks are with nic so they cant be all bad, can they

 

[Roggi]

Ron55,
if you've gone through apprentice training and worked hard all your life in the electrical feild,
kept up with changing regs etc, it really doesn't feel good to be told that you can't do pir's unless you pay more monies by people sitting in chairs all day !!! you can't go wrong with NAPIT. I haven't found any prejudice with councils or other organisations, and if you did, NAPIT actually sort it out.
There is one criteria they insist on, and that's the 2391. As an experienced sparky, it's not really a problem, and NAPIT do give a window of a year to gain it. ( assesors are old sparks and know what they're looking for)
Good luck with who ever you choose....Regards, Kev

Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.

 

[sparkytel]

You are right Roggi.

I think you would only sign up to NICEIC or similar if you do PIRs and you knew being a member would get you more work.

Although you will need the professional indemnity insurance which I understand NICEIC can provide.

Regs

Tel

 

[andyb]

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

It says nothing really Pete, I joined the niceic domestic installer scheme in 2005 purely because of the law & part P.
Since then I’ve had no problem at all. They’ve done exactly what they say they will do, (which I suspect is the same for elecsa, nappit and the others)
They notify my work, inspect me annually and have a good help line, nothing more than I would expect.

Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.

You are right Roggi, it is a con.
Which is why I do not pay the niceic to do PIRs, I just do them and issue my own certificate.

 

[markythesparky]

Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

Nope!

(NICEIC fully aproved member for 8 years)

 

[jimmyjazz]

Registered with ELECSA, most of my work is domestic & in past 5 years have lost 1 job for not being NICEIC. Truth be told, no-one else has ever asked & whilst I advertise part 'P', no-one understands what it means. Same old, same old.