Would you energise a modified circuit without RCD protection

[Midwest]

What if they don't get you back to do the CU change, 'cos your worry too much!

 

[Octopus]

What if they don't get you back to do the CU change, 'cos your worry too much!

It wouldn't bother me. My December invoice will state clearly that certification will be issued on completion ....

 

[Strima]

those in favour say I ,for her to got to strima house for xmas dinner.

Having rib of beef so get here early to avoid disappointment!!!

 

[Risteard]

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Aye, surely...

 

[Toneyz]

Having rib of beef so get here early to avoid disappointment!!!

you'll wish you never posted when a forum of hairy arse electricians turn up on Christmas day.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Having rib of beef so get here early to avoid disappointment!!!

she can bring the Yorkshire puddings then and her best china.

 

[Toneyz]

It wouldn't bother me. My December invoice will state clearly that certification will be issued on completion ....

The only issue will be if you liven it up and something happens in the meantime.

 

[buzzlightyear]

It wouldn't bother me. My December invoice will state clearly that certification will be issued on completion

when paid yeah wright,
done that before,now try telling that to the scammers .

 

[Darkwood]

I would say always protect your butt, fit a temp' rcd that way in the unlikely event of anything bad happening then your covered and your insurance isn't voided if that comes into play, it's fine saying the job isn't complete until the cert# is issued but you are still responsible for any work done, the safety of that work and that is complies to current regulations ... yes I can somewhat agree with the fact we all wired non RCD's sockets for decades with little issue but you could argue the same about wearing seatbelts.. they are just an inconvenience until you need them to save your life.

 

[Octopus]

when paid yeah wright,
done that before,now try telling that to the scammers .

scammers?

If you mean schemes, they will not tell me how to run the commercial side of my business

 

[Octopus]

Domestic.

 

[PEG]

I suppose the over-riding factor would be some testing,which could guarantee one,or rule out the other

Whatever you decide,i'm certain it will out-rank the recently fitted DB i viewed yesterday. Put in by a schemed dude,who put a 14 way board in,10 MCB's fitted,only 3 circuits,sockets upstairs and downstairs on only RCD side,and all lights on other,non-protected side.

£400,no certs,and not even a merry Christmas,for the elderly recipients...i will be releasing the dogs,shortly...

 

[dmxtothemax]

I would say that this is where your years of experience as an electrician come into play, Not every single job fits neatly into the electrical codes, some times you have to judge for your self, If the instalation looks in reasonable shape, and some quick tests back that up, then taking a chance is not so scary.

 

[David M]

I would say that this is where your years of experience as an electrician come into play, Not every single job fits neatly into the electrical codes, some times you have to judge for your self, If the instalation looks in reasonable shape, and some quick tests back that up, then taking a chance is not so scary.

It is unlikely something serious would happen before the new c.u was fitted, and the installation has probably been fine for the last 30 years.

But taking a chance, regardless how good the odds are is not worth it when we are dealing with something that is potentially lethal, or rather you are liable for in the event of an accident.

Now that last statement, I grant you sounds rather o.t.t. But in this day and age with all the "where there's a blame there's a claim" attitude it would be sods law something happens and you end up in court.
Personally I would do what Lee mentioned, fit a temporary R.C.D. At least then in the extremely unlikely situation where the judge asks you if you did everything you could to make the installation safe and to current regs...?

 

[Toneyz]

What you've got to be careful of Murdoch of being accused of being hypocritical with comments on the forum regarding others when you are not complying with the regulations yourself.

 

[sevuk]

Just to throw this in the mix,

To paraphrase a building regulation, an installation should be left in no worse condition than it was. Adding a socket if done well, leaves the installation in no better or no worse condition?

Ultimately it would come down to EWR wouldn't it? To what is "reasonably practical"?

The best practice guide on changing a CCU doesn't require all the circuits to be up to regulation, as long as all reported items are C3. Depending on the use wouldn't no RCD protection be a C3? There's only a potential risk if someone wants to go outside with the hedge cutters..

I may be wrong from the point of compliance with current BS7671, but the point I'm trying to make is better a competent electrician does it, otherwise the homeowners is just going to ask the painter.

Difficult though as we're moving further and further into the blame game culture.

 

[Octopus]

What you've got to be careful of Murdoch of being accused of being hypocritical with comments on the forum regarding others when you are not complying with the regulations yourself.

Hum ............... the changes are complete when the cert is issued is what I suggested..

Now if I was suggesting a "cash" bodge / no certs etc, then you may have a point.

 

[Toneyz]

Hum ............... the changes are complete when the cert is issued is what I suggested..

Now if I was suggesting a "cash" bodge / no certs etc, then you may have a point.

Sometimes it is difficult to be practical and comply with the regs at the same time. I understand the point that the installation was not left in any worst state than before, but to fit a temporary RCD would be a way of complying with Bs7671. I didn't mean anything by my post it just seemed out of character from your usual advice on here.

 

[buzzlightyear]

The best practice guide on changing a CCU doesn't require all the circuits to be up to regulation, as long as all reported items are C3. Depending on the use wouldn't no RCD protection be a C3? There's only a potential risk if someone wants to go outside with the hedge cutters..

and you put a socket in no rcd protection they get fried and crisp dried
you cop for it. protection better no protection .the big hitters are HSE. and him. or unless you got get out jail card.

 

[sevuk]

Next we won't be able to add a socket because the fuse board is plastic...