Interesting videos from Bundy

[mainline]

I think they'd ask why you were calling them about someone who isn't a member of their scheme, but I'm not sure why you'd even invoke NICEIC in this conversation.

N bundy is a member of NAPIT, but you know exactly what I meant.

They don't write the regulations on which you have a very limited interpretation.

What do you mean by that ??

And the point is @mainline
this part has been fixed!!

Yes by Mr Bundy who is now responsible for the non compliant work in the bathroom which he has left with no rcd protection.

I guess much depends on where in their home the householder happened to venture. Poking about in the loft those live terminals could certainly have been dangerous.

Perhaps the regs have changed and access to live parts is no longer considered dangerous?

Why are you posting like it's me that said it wasn't dangerous ?

 

[nicebutdim]

And the point is @mainline
this part has been fixed!!

The only changes made at this point have been improvements.

• CPC brought to each point
• Terminals suitably enclosed at several locations
• Cables freed from where they were trapped behind fan
• Fan no longer extracting to loft

That Nick Bundy is a maniac!

 

[nicebutdim]

N bundy is a member of NAPIT

Was that the response you got from NICEIC?

Why are you posting like it's me that said it wasn't dangerous ?

Because you deflected the point when James raised it and instead pointed to me.

 

[nicebutdim]

what would you have done differently if it was your mother?
honestly would you say "sorry mum, power is off in the bathroom for a week or two whilst i go on holiday?"
or look at it in a more pragmatic way and consider it no worse than before the other contractor messed about with it?

Solutions suggested so far have been disconnect the circuit or fit parts you don't have on the van after wholesalers have closed for the day.

Edit: Missed one... do nothing until the board has been upgraded.

 

[mainline]

what would you have done differently if it was your mother?
honestly would you say "sorry mum, power is off in the bathroom for a week or two whilst i go on holiday?"
or look at it in a more pragmatic way and consider it no worse than before the other contractor messed about with it?

That has no relevance

Solutions suggested so far have been disconnect the circuit or fit parts you don't have on the van after wholesalers have closed for the day.

You're being hypothetical.

The only changes made at this point have been improvements.

• CPC brought to each point
• Terminals suitably enclosed at several locations
• Cables freed from where they were trapped behind fan
• Fan no longer extracting to loft

That Nick Bundy is a maniac!

Is he now responsibly for the bathroom circuit
Answer = YES
Has he left the bathroom SAFE ?
Answer = NO

Pretty simple really.

 

[nicebutdim]

That has no relevance

It's the very situation under discussion, with some of your own responses offered as potential solutions.

You're being hypothetical.

I'm stating what can be seen in the videos.

Is he now responsibly for the bathroom circuit
Answer = YES
Has he left the bathroom SAFE ?
Answer = NO

Pretty simple really.

As it's so simple, perhaps you could point out the danger to this trainee. Not regulatory breaches, but actual danger.

 

[James]

I am out of this now,
rather than point out what he has failed to do.
I would love to hear some positive changes that people would have done differently if it was their own mother.

I have already stated that in his circumstances i would have done a very similar job.

I know that many would do similar but never have the courage to state on a forum that they would ever leave a job energised but not fully compliant with the current reg's and you are welcome to stay quiet.

 

[mainline]

As it's so simple, perhaps you could point out the danger to this trainee. Not regulatory breaches, but actual danger.

I have made my point many times over.
He's left it in a non-compliant state.
That's the simple bit.
Which i have stated many times over.
Take it up with IET you can argue the point with them.

 

[westward10]

Can we keep this reasoned and friendly please or this thread will be closed.

 

[nicebutdim]

I have made my point many times over.
He's left it in a non-compliant state.
That's the simple bit.
Which i have stated many times over.
Take it up with IET you can argue the point with them.

He left the installation safer than it was when he found it, fixed a number of issues within limited time constraints and did exactly what (I'm certain) most pragmatists would have done under the circumstances.

However he should be condemned for laying hands on an istallation, without immediately bringing it up to current regulatory standards, despite there being no apparent immediate danger?

 

[DPG]

Is this the 10 minute argument?

 

[nicebutdim]

Is this the 10 minute argument?

10 page?

 

[mainline]

He left the installation safer than it was when he found it, fixed a number of issues within limited time constraints and did exactly what (I'm certain) most pragmatists would have done under the circumstances.

Just because it was made safer doesn't mean it's safe.

However he should be condemned for laying hands on an istallation, without immediately bringing it up to current regulatory standards, despite there being no apparent immediate danger?

Arguing that leaving a non-compliant circuit is OK just for the fact that you made if safer, isn't a very good message to send out on an electricians forum

In Mr bundys case, he could have isolated the lights and loaned his mother-in-law one or two of his many battery lights.

If he didn't have time to make it compliant, then maybe getting another electrician in would be more suitable.

 

[nicebutdim]

Just because it was made safer doesn't mean it's safe.

And nor does it mean that it's unsafe.

 

[DPG]

Just because it was made safer doesn't mean it's safe.

Arguing that leaving a non-compliant circuit is OK just for the fact that you made if safer, isn't a very good message to send out on an electricians forum

In Mr bundys case, he could have isolated the lights and loaned his mother-in-law one or two of his many battery lights.

If he didn't have time to make it compliant, then maybe getting another electrician in would be more suitable.

Really? I think you're stretching this one a bit to be honest.

 

[pirate]

@LukeD
I'd love to tell you the full story, but the mods would quite rightly step in!
Let me just say it was a very interesting experience!
Clearly I can't post a link, but this is a thread about interesting videos so I'll just say Fountains Of Wayne and Stacy's Mom...and that'll give you a fair idea!

 

[pc1966]

YOu crack on.... this is a story worth hearing !! Ive done the same , ----'s are a whole new level

So you left your GF for @pirate 's mother-in-law?

Small world!

 

[LukeD]

So you left your GF for @pirate 's mother-in-law?

Small world!

learned early that whilst all my friends where 'chasing skirt" in a nice Wiltshire town (Marlborough ) Most of these girls mothers where as filthy as the bottom of my tool bag. It was less agro and more fun !

 

[mainline]

learned early that whilst all my friends where 'chasing skirt" in a nice Wiltshire town (Marlborough ) Most of these girls mothers where as filthy as the bottom of my tool bag. It was less agro and more fun !

I suppose it's fine until you realise there is no tool bag and your van is gone.

 

[mainline]

I one saw my mother in law's box in the middle of the night as we both decided to do a dash for the loo at the same time...

It must have been a fair size box for it to be easily seen at night ?

 

[pc1966]

It must have been a fair size box for it to be easily seen at night ?

Maybe she lived near Sellafield, glow in the dark...

 

[mainline]

Take that up with Nick Bundy, if indeed he hasn't provided RCD protection (I've no idea if that's the case).

Don't you watch the videos you post ?
If you did, you would be aware of him leaving it without rcd protection.

what evidence is there that he carried out any work in the bathroom - it's not as though he filmed himself doing so and posted it on youtube.

He did exactly what you're saying he didn't do.

 

[LukeD]

Rule One...never film anything then slap it on social media unless you are 100% fully chicken soup

 

[nicebutdim]

Don't you watch the videos you post ?
If you did, you would be aware of him leaving it without rcd protection.

Subsequent to the video being filmed as was his stated intention.

 

[mainline]

They do battery powered motion sensor ceiling lights, that could be used for temporary use.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/CYSNOAYA-Wireless-Suitable-Corridor-Staircase/dp/B0BBWF1VJB/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=battery+ceiling+light&qid=1694542526&sr=8-5

 

[mainline]

Maybe she lived near Sellafield, glow in the dark...

Are you talking about Stella from Sella she's also useful for temp lighting.

 

[DPG]

This still going then?

. . . .

 

[nicebutdim]

They do battery powered motion sensor ceiling lights, that could be used for temporary use.

Perhaps 'they' also sell straws for us to clutch at.

This still going then?

. . . .

Apparently so.

The most innocuous of threads can be the best place to labour pointless observations and still not a single mention of the bodge which necessitated this remedial work.

 

[mainline]

He was a bathroom fitter, whose comment was related by a 3rd party, defending the fitting of lights in a special location which lacked RCD protection. While you might consider him correct in stating they were LV, I think most people know exactly what was meant.

It was Bundy who said they weren't LV not the plumber.

You really need to watch the videos.

 

[mainline]

Perhaps 'they' also sell straws for us to clutch at.

I pointed out that there are motion battery ceiling lights for anyone who didn't know and may find them useful.

 

[nicebutdim]

It was Bundy who said they weren't LV not the plumber.

You really need to watch the videos.

Yes, the 3rd party I referred to.

I'm beyond bored with this, but feel free to pursue further pointless argument as a solo endeavour.

 

[DPG]

I think the point has long been lost to be honest

 

[Mike Johnson]

Sorry what where we talking about?