Bodge job by NIC registered company , Help please

[lee0069]

Hi I really could use some advive

There is a bin store near my building and the work has been done by an NICEIC company but i have made complaints to the coucil and got no where , compained twice to the company that did this work in the past 2 months and nothing has been done, i have also tried to phone the NICEIC but they say only the person who is ordering / the cient can complain.

I have listed the problems with it bellow and added some images

Conduit not continuous
Conduit not earthed
Conduit not secure
Conduit is rusting

In this state it should have been given additional protection by a 30ma RCD , in its current state there is a potential risk of electric shock if the conduit is pulled.

Whats my next move , i feel like iam banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[davesparks]

Yes but as the conduit is insecure and the cable could be pulled out if the light fitting , and the line condutor could be toching the unearthed conduit .Am i the only one who can see some one getting an electric shock?

And yes i agree if the conduit was secure and continious then there is no need for an RCD , but the conduit has never been earthed or mechanicly or electricy continious.

There is no need for rcd with the conduit being insecure, what it needs is the conduit to be secured properly!

How do you know for certain that the conduit is not earthed? Have you opened the light fitting to check that there isn't a banjo in there or an earthing nut?

 

[lee0069]

As i have said its not earthed , there is a around 7MΩ resistance from both parts of the conduit to the main eathing terminal, i have not taken the light fitting apart but can access there CU.

 

[snowhead]

As the O.P has exhausted all reasonable courses of action and feels the installation is a possible death trap then there appears to be only action left, disconnect said circuit.

That'll get someone's attention.

Knowingly leaving it in it's current state might later be deemed to have been negligent, especially for someone with appropriate technical knowledge.

 

[davesparks]

So the question is whether it would want earthing or bonding then?
If bonding then it obviously won't be required as it is above the magic number, but if it would be earthing then it will need it.

What exactly is 'around 7Mohm'? That's hardly a specific measured value is it?

I would say that since it is containing T&E rather than singles it doesn't require earthing strictly speaking, in the same way that cable tray doesn't specifically require earthing if it is carrying sheathed cables. Have a read of Guidance note 8 and see what it has to say about it.

 

[lee0069]

Yes but there is another issue , that circuit feeds the lights for the stairs and last thing i would also want to see is people falling down them where they cant see

 

[Silly Sausage]

Find out who ordered the work, tell them your concerns, and get them to report it to the NICEIC, as in your OP.
Not that the NICEIC will do F$%& All about it.

I would say, follow Tony's advice earlier up thread, but trouble is, the original installer will get called back to fix it and get paid even more money!!!

It's :mad2: time.

 

[davesparks]

As the O.P has exhausted all reasonable courses of action and feels the installation is a possible death trap then there appears to be only action left, disconnect said circuit.

That'll get someone's attention.

Knowingly leaving it in it's current state might later be deemed to have been negligent, especially for someone with appropriate technical knowledge.

If the owner of the installation hasn't given permission to disconnect it the if he does he could be prosecuted for criminal damage.

 

[infinity]

If it's over 29000 ohms it's not even classed as an extraneous part! It's practically seperate from the wiring system

 

[snowhead]

If the owner of the installation hasn't given permission to disconnect it the if he does he could be prosecuted for criminal damage.

It wasn't an entirely serious post, but as you brought it up.
Disconnecting wouldn't be causing damage, might be unlawfully interfering, but with reasonable grounds in the O.P's opinion.
He's already been at the C.U and main earth terminal..

 

[davesparks]

It is an act of vandalism!

 

[shanky887614]

Yes but there is another issue , that circuit feeds the lights for the stairs and last thing i would also want to see is people falling down them where they cant see

then they should have emergency fittings, it will be no different to if there is a power failure

 

[ian.settle1]

Yes but there is another issue , that circuit feeds the lights for the stairs and last thing i would also want to see is people falling down them where they cant see

Then shouldn't get that ****ed to fall down the stairs then should they?

 

[ayjay]

op who installed that abortion? take ur pics
pop along to their office and tell the ----pot that runs this circus he is a wan-er

 

[Silly Sausage]

op who installed that abortion? take ur pics
pop along to their office and tell the ----pot that runs this circus he is a wan-er

Haven't you twigged yet AJ, we haven't got a Stasi we can report this stuff to, to get them 'disappeared' somewhere in the woods.

 

[ayjay]

all i can say is that that installation was probably done by a 15 year old on £2-oo an hour work experience
a total rubbish installation
its got sweet f/a to do with the russian stazi

 

[Knobhead]

Find out who ordered the work, tell them your concerns, and get them to report it to the NICEIC, as in your OP.
Not that the NICEIC will do F$%& All about it.

It's :mad2: time.

The second sensible suggestion.

Mine came first.

The OP obviously can’t get the idea in his head, it’s not his problem therefore the NIC-EIC will just ignore him.
The landlord will probably tell him to mind his own business.

All this BS and waffle for nothing.

 

[snowhead]

It is an act of vandalism!

That's an appropriate description of the installation

 

[Engineer54]

Nobody's interested, and won't be until someone is injured, maimed or killed. Then and only then, will all the so-called interested parties be interested, but now it'll be down to damage limitation and where or rather who they can throw any or all of their responsibilities at, in the form of anything sticky....


Anyone getting the message yet?? lol!!

 

[trev]

Haven't you twigged yet AJ, we haven't got a Stasi we can report this stuff to, to get them 'disappeared' somewhere in the woods.

We will have if the home secretary gets her way.

 

[trev]

its got sweet f/a to do with the russian stazi

The Stasi weren't Russian although they did have very close ties to the KGB.

 

[lee0069]

Here is a reply i finaly got from the company that installed it.


There email reply :

Thank you for sending the images to me for us to try and resolve the issues you have raised. We will refer to Thanet District Council for advice.


Please direct any further correspondence or future issues to Thanet District Council first as we are not able to carry out any work without their authorisation through the company they are contracted to .


Thank you for your assistance with this matter.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Go back to your 1st post and read the 2nd line.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one, expecting anything to happen!

 

[trev]

Here is a reply i finaly got from the company that installed it.


There email reply :

Thank you for sending the images to me for us to try and resolve the issues you have raised. We will refer to Thanet District Council for advice.


Please direct any further correspondence or future issues to Thanet District Council first as we are not able to carry out any work without their authorisation through the company they are contracted to .


Thank you for your assistance with this matter.

Subtext.
How dare you criticise our work. We're going to fob you off with a lie about referring it to the council.
Now will you please foff and leave us alone, if you have a problem speak to the council who will have no idea what you're banging on about.

Now, if you really want to shake someone's tree on this get back to them and ask for the person's name to whom they referred the matter at the council. Then send all the info and the pics to your local paper with a letter telling them in layman's terms what is wrong with it and the dangers involved.
If they go with the story you'll get a result. If they don't, welcome to ignoreville. Population, you