Do you not feel that the term Electrical Trainee is derogatory

[uksparks]

What's more, how anyone in their right mind, can accredit the 17th and PAT qualifications as being even remotely close to being Level 3 standard, is totally beyond my understanding!!

Shocking isn't it, it's sub level 1

 

[NickD]

What's more, how anyone in their right mind, can accredit the 17th and PAT qualifications as being even remotely close to being Level 3 standard, is totally beyond my understanding!! But this lunacy results in these wannabe's having two level 3 qualifications under their belt, 5 weeks after they gave up the Tesco Shelf packing job!!

From postman to PAT, one might say.

 

[uksparks]

From postman to PAT, one might say.

That's a great one that is.

 

[Meggerman]

Most apprentices will be going to college 1 day plus evening per week. Or, and i don't know if this still exists ''block release'' where the apprentice will do block term's at college....

Then you will need to add into the equation the experiences being gained under the patronage and watchful eye of a qualified electrician.

So in my book there is really no comparison, considering that on completion of that 3/4/5 year apprenticeship you will,( or should be) leaving with a core Lv 3 electrical qualification AM2 and hopefully NVQ Lv 3!! Not just an add on 17th edition, PAT qualification, and a worthless Part Pee qualification.

What's more, how anyone in their right mind, can accredit the 17th and PAT qualifications as being even remotely close to being Level 3 standard, is totally beyond my understanding!! But this lunacy results in these wannabe's having two level 3 qualifications under their belt, 5 weeks after they gave up the Tesco Shelf packing job!!

I agree with you entirely. I was not referring to apprentices I was referring to evening class students not working in the industry. An apprenticeship is the best training you can have (with a good firm anyway).

 

[Chrisuk]

I agree with you entirely. I was not referring to apprentices I was referring to evening class students not working in the industry. An apprenticeship is the best training you can have (with a good firm anyway).

With the evening classes like I'm doing we are told that any time during the 2 levels we need to find employment and do our nvq3, they said it can take 6 months if we have the work ask the way up to a year, although someone in here said they did it in 4 months
Although I have heard a few ppl go l self employed when only having level 2 and 3 2365 : shocked

Ps I'm only doing evenings because I can not find a firm to take on a mature apprenticeship

 

[Badged01]

.....I'm only doing evenings because I can not find a firm to take on a mature apprenticeship

Unfortunately whilst 'mature' candidates have many benefits over 'younger' candidates the financial aspects of employing a 'young' apprentice always seem to win ....... money talks!

 

[Chrisuk]

Unfortunately whilst 'mature' candidates have many benefits over 'younger' candidates the financial aspects of employing a 'young' apprentice always seem to win ....... money talks!

College advisor cane in and said now it only costs the company £500 per year instead of £2500, I'd pay the£500 out my pocket and i still can't find a firm, do they actually get paid for taking a school lever?

 

[Badged01]

Yep, basically take someone on under 19 and the govt pays you money (£1500?) plus you pay the apprentice a low hr rate (£2.30?). Once you get above 19 the govt isnt interested and you have to pay the minimum wage hr rate (£6.30). And at the end of it all you dont have to keep the apprentice once the training is finished! Im not suggesting firms use it as cheap labour .......

 

[Meggerman]

Chris, That would be no different than people with 2330 l2 & l3 going self employed of which there are loads. 2365 is underpinning knowledge for 2357 NVQ3 whereas 2330 was for the 2356 NVQ3.

 

[Meggerman]

Yep, basically take someone on under 19 and the govt pays you money (£1500?) plus you pay the apprentice a low hr rate (£2.30?). Once you get above 19 the govt isnt interested and you have to pay the minimum wage hr rate (£6.30). And at the end of it all you dont have to keep the apprentice once the training is finished! Im not suggesting firms use it as cheap labour .......

Like the firms haven't figured that out

 

[Chrisuk]

Chris, That would be no different than people with 2330 l2 & l3 going self employed of which there are loads. 2365 is underpinning knowledge for 2357 NVQ3 whereas 2330 was for the 2356 NVQ3.

I only said what I said because the first thing my tutor told us and it's been hammered into us since is

At the end if level 3 2365 you will NOT be a qualified spark

Not until we do the nvq3 on site, putting work I'm that's staying in

I'd personally like to say I'm a qualified spark by the end, doing whatever it takes to make me one

 

[Marvo]

Okay, I'm back to find out if it was derogatory when I used the term Electrical Trainee. I don't have time to read 110 replies, can someone just give me the yes or no short answer please?

 

[Richard Burns]

The answer is YES or NO.

 

[Marvo]

The answer is YES or NO.

The jury's still out I assume

 

[Engineer54]

The term ''electrical trainee'' and/or ''17 Day Whizz Kid'' are what they are!! Under trained, under qualified, unskilled and inexperienced folk that have been given a meaningless name (Domestic Installer) because everyone and their dog, knows they ain't electricians. If that's classed as being derogatory, then so be it, but as far as i'm concerned, it's the truth, and not many are able to handle any real world truth's anymore!!

 

[Hawkmoon]

Derogatory = intending to belittle/disparaging/intentionally offensive (Collins dictionary)...

So if these definitions fit your use of 'Electrical Trainee' then - YES

If you just use the term as a handy short description (as eg an abbreviation) - NO


Mind you I would think most people on the receiving end of it think it is derogatory!

 

[NickD]

I suggest it would be a good idea for everyone (especially including the people who have done the short courses) to embrace and use the term Electrical Trainee, and then it loses its sting, same way the gay lobby "stole back" the term "queer" to the point where it became useless as an insult.

 

[pepparz]

I suggest it would be a good idea for everyone (especially including the people who have done the short courses) to embrace and use the term Electrical Trainee, and then it loses its sting, same way the gay lobby "stole back" the term "queer" to the point where it became useless as an insult.

Yes, it wouldn't do for anyone to have their feelings hurt, poor lambs.

 

[MDJ]

Is this still going on? Lets change it around to try to keep the peace and try to get along, what do you short course takers want us to call you? Let us know and hopefully we cab oblige and all agree on some peace on the forum.

 

[MDJ]

The term ''electrical trainee'' and/or ''17 Day Whizz Kid'' are what they are!! Under trained, under qualified, unskilled and inexperienced folk that have been given a meaningless name (Domestic Installer) because everyone and their dog, knows they ain't electricians. If that's classed as being derogatory, then so be it, but as far as i'm concerned, it's the truth, and not many are able to handle any real world truth's anymore!!

Don't hold back M8 lol