EICRs and LANDLORDS

[marconi]

Rather than add to 'Thoughts on recommendation' I thought it better to begin a new one.

I am a landlord in London. I think it should be mandatory for an in-date EICR whenever a new tenant takes up a lease and of course after electrical works. I present to my tenants both the EICR and Gas Safety certificate in an information pack. I also tell my insurance company and letting agent and send them a copy of both. For me it is a question of discharging my duty of care responsibilities. I know several good landlords who follow suit.

I always use the same electrician - not a friend, friend of a friend, etcetera - completely independent of me and I have checked his qualifications. This way he knows my properties and remarkably he seems to be able to remember even the make of CU - or does he look up the last inspection? I send him an email to arrange the EICR which he acknowledges so I have a record of the formal request for an EICR. I pay him up front in cash - (a cheque could be cancelled) - and he gives me his bill with the EICR, VAT inc, and marked 'paid in full' and referring to the EICR form serial number dated. I leave him alone to do the EICR and he either leaves the EICR in the flat or posts it to me. I then read it, discuss with him if necessary and arrange any remedials, etcetera.

 

[Andy78]

Midwest.... I'm pretty sure chrome has an import favourites/bookmarks function to transfer them all in a couple of clicks.

 

[Midwest]

Midwest.... I'm pretty sure chrome has an import favourites/bookmarks function to transfer them all in a couple of clicks.

Yep one of me sons did me laptop for me, I'll have to get him to do me PC. I sound like one of those grannies from WHAT magazine!

 

[Darkwood]

Yep it's still the same, I should try something else, but got all my favourites etc set up on my current browser and I can't be a***d to copy them across, so I'll have to put up with it. As I said though, it doesn't happen on a couple of other forums I use with the same format?

You know you can run multiple browsers together they just appear as different symbols on your bar, no need to move anything across

 

[UNG]

I see they are trying to clampdown on rogue landlords from the piece that was on breakfast news this morning no suggestion that it was electricians who were trying to bring in legislation to throw landlords in jail though !!!. No doubt Merv will help us out with the finer details if his ban isn't permanent

 

[Octopus]

There always has been, and there will always be bad landlords. Things won't change despite what any legislation says.

 

[andyb]

I see they are trying to clampdown on rogue landlords from the piece that was on breakfast news this morning no suggestion that it was electricians who were trying to bring in legislation to throw landlords in jail though !!!. No doubt Merv will help us out with the finer details if his ban isn't permanent

I thought this thread was about computers.

Out of interest why was Merv banned?
He was obviously wrong and everybody disagreed with him, but he was generally polite and apologized a few times when he needed to.
Can you be banned for disagreeing with the wrong people?
Also he was given a last warning then banned before he made another post.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Did he disagree with anything I said?

 

[andyb]

Did he disagree with anything I said?

I don't know Spin but that's not the point

I'm merely asking why he was banned,

I doubt that he disagreed with the person that banned him also as that person only made one post on this thread which was

Too late mate I've just banned him. He had previously been warned.

Followed by a half a dozen likes.

So, he was not abusive or rude, he did not threaten anybody or swear, he was just wrong.

I look forward to seeing a lot more bans in the future as by its very nature, any debate must have one person whose wrong and there are plenty of good debates on this forum.

 

[Octopus]

IMHO Merv just stepped out of line too many times. His contribution was not appreciated!

 

[shanky887614]

I don't know Spin but that's not the point

I'm merely asking why he was banned,

I doubt that he disagreed with the person that banned him also as that person only made one post on this thread which was


Followed by a half a dozen likes.

So, he was not abusive or rude, he did not threaten anybody or swear, he was just wrong.

I look forward to seeing a lot more bans in the future as by its very nature, any debate must have one person whose wrong and there are plenty of good debates on this forum.

he was asked to stop by a mod and he ignored it, so he got banned.

the mods here are more forgiving than most and usually will warn someone rather than ban them outright (unless its something serious then imediate ban)

he probably wont be banned permanently just given a little holiday to cool down

 

[andyb]

IMHO Merv just stepped out of line too many times. His contribution was not appreciated!

Is that official then, he was banned for stepping out of line too many times?

What line? out of line is different to over the line. Out of line does seem to imply that if you disagree with the mods you will be banned.

 

[Octopus]

Is that official then, he was banned for stepping out of line too many times?

What line? out of line is different to over the line. Out of line does seem to imply that if you disagree with the mods you will be banned.

I can speak from experience. My recent holiday was the result of questioning a mods approach!

 

[andyb]

he was asked to stop by a mod and he ignored it, so he got banned.

the mods here are more forgiving than most and usually will warn someone rather than ban them outright (unless its something serious then imediate ban)

he probably wont be banned permanently just given a little holiday to cool down

He was asked to stop one post then banned in the very next post. He was not given a chance. Hardly fair.

 

[andyb]

I can speak from experience. My recent holiday was the result of questioning a mods approach!

I don't know the circumstances of your ban Murdoch. If you were rude, insulting foul mouthed or similar then fair enough.
If you just questioned a mod then that's not right.

 

[shanky887614]

He was asked to stop one post then banned in the very next post. He was not given a chance. Hardly fair.

andy, you should realise that he will have been warned via pm.

the mods have there own private section where they will have been keeping a close eye on him and will probably have said in there he has been warned (only speculation i don't know hoe the forum is set up)

 

[andyb]

andy, you should realise that he will have been warned via pm.

the mods have there own private section where they will have been keeping a close eye on him and will probably have said in there he has been warned (only speculation i don't know hoe the forum is set up)

Maybe Shanks, but he was banned publicly, and as I say he had a public warning and never made another post.

 

[shanky887614]

Maybe Shanks, but he was banned publicly, and as I say he had a public warning and never made another post.

the thing is mods themselfs answer to the admin aka lenny and cannot mod log files so its all there in black and white, he will have been banned prior and i bet a tenner there are logs proving it

 

[Dave OCD]

Hang on a minute - this Merv fella was constantly casting doubt on our integrity and basically was calling us rip off merchants-any diplomatic and explanatory posts by other members were ignored and he carried on with more of the same rubbish, that's how I saw it anyway. So I think a ban was fully justified.

 

[Marvo]

the thing is mods themselfs answer to the admin aka lenny....

Lenny??? :uhoh2:

People who get banned do so by staff consensus which is reached in staff discussions in a staff-only area of the forum. Staff actions aren't open for discussion in the general forums. Anyone who gets an infraction or gets banned can PM the staff for a private explanation.

His ban was 7 days (I think).

 

[andyb]

Hang on a minute - this Merv fella was constantly casting doubt on our integrity and basically was calling us rip off merchants-any diplomatic and explanatory posts by other members were ignored and he carried on with more of the same rubbish, that's how I saw it anyway. So I think a ban was fully justified.

I never read that into his posts Dave.
His main line was that he saw EICRS as a money spinner for electricians. He was wrong. He also seemed to have a poor view of electricians, though he never said as much.
You and other's think his posts warrented a ban, I'm not convinced.

 

[GMES]

the thing is mods themselfs answer to the admin aka lenny and cannot mod log files so its all there in black and white, he will have been banned prior and i bet a tenner there are logs proving it

Love it , shanky don't forget to sign out of one before you sign into another lol

 

[shanky887614]

Love it , shanky don't forget to sign out of one before you sign into another lol

lol fair enough i should have said dan, the problem is im on tapatalk and i didnt even see which forum it was on

my bad

 

[Dave OCD]

I never read that into his posts Dave.
His main line was that he saw EICRS as a money spinner for electricians. He was wrong. He also seemed to have a poor view of electricians, though he never said as much.
You and other's think his posts warrented a ban, I'm not convinced.

Fair enough, we all have our own perspective on different things.

 

[UNG]

Merv was asked on a number of occasions to substantiate his money spinning EICR claims and his assertion that it was electricians that were trying to criminalise landlords despite this he continued with what IMO was a goading / trolling attitude in his posts without providing any substance to his claims. At some point I believe someone would have ended up with a ban and unfortunately on this occasion it was him

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and everyone will have a differing view of that opinion but if someone is asked to back up that opinion with fact and then they just blindly carry on the same line without backing it up with the facts is asking for problems

 

[andyb]

This is my last post on this thread as it seems to be going round in circles.
Also it's looking like I am defending a fool rather than a principle.

Merv was asked on a number of occasions to substantiate his money spinning EICR claims and his assertion that it was electricians that were trying to criminalise landlords

These were his opinions, that is my point.

I think that in the main that letting agents are rip off merchants, most now charge the person who will be renting the property as well as the landlord, and unfairly keeping deposits. Also renewing contracts every year or 6 months and charging for the privilege.
These are my opinions, please don't ask me to prove this.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion

Well, yeah, as long as it's the same opinion as some mods.

That's it, no more posts on this thread for me,
Especially as I disagree with the mods.

 

[Marvo]

**yawn**, It's not up for public debate, refer to this post.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...um/105114-eicrs-landlords-10.html#post1132662

 

[UNG]

This is my last post on this thread as it seems to be going round in circles.
Also it's looking like I am defending a fool rather than a principle.

I think you are quite correct.

These were his opinions, that is my point.

Merv was given opportunities to clarify the point he was trying to make and chose to troll out the same spiel without any evidence to back up his point with appearing to have a total disregard for the safety of his tenants

I think that in the main that letting agents are rip off merchants, most now charge the person who will be renting the property as well as the landlord, and unfairly keeping deposits. Also renewing contracts every year or 6 months and charging for the privilege.
These are my opinions, please don't ask me to prove this.

That is another point entirely but Merv never slated them

Well, yeah, as long as it's the same opinion as some mods.

Quoting me out of context only shows your comment has no grounds and totally belittles your debating of what has happened as I'm sure there is more than just the mods who would have banned him

That's it, no more posts on this thread for me,
Especially as I disagree with the mods.

There are times when we have to agree to disagree