EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[silverfox1]

[FONT=&amp]Sorry Andy did not mean to shout cutting and pasting changing fonts etc, but as I see it I ask myself one question, if we were not already in the EU and we were being given this chance to become a member would I vote to join the EU now.
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[FONT=&amp] Economically the EU is not strong at the moment it’s struggling with a very low growth rate, Greece, Italy and Spain have major economic issues too.
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[FONT=&amp] The single market is it all that it seems, restricting our ability to negotiate our own trade deals, with 28 countries to negotiate for it takes forever, I believe the EU trade deal with Canada is almost finished it has taken 9 years!!
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[FONT=&amp]Britain is also pushing for a Latin American trade deal but other EU countries are blocking the deal to protect their own markets ie France not wanting Brazilian beef to be imported, it is said to be costing Britain £2.5 billion a year in lost revenue.
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[FONT=&amp]We also have the migrant issue and half of sub Saharan Africa claiming to be refugees coming to EU because of Merkels naive invite, not to mention Turkey who are literally blackmailing Merkel and will almost certainly be fast tracked into the EU but that’s another story.
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[FONT=&amp] A recent EU report said Britain not building enough houses quickly enough, the European Commission warned the UK is heading for an ‘acute’ housing crisis caused by massive population growth. It admitted that first-time buyers were being hit particularly hard and the situation could worsen, with official projections saying the UK needs at least 220,000 new houses a year.
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[FONT=&amp]The issue of sovereignty and the power that would be disappearing from our parliament
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[FONT=&amp] On April 1[SUP]st[/SUP] 2017, 44 areas of policy will disappear from government control courtesy of the Lisbon treaty, the EU is a slow motion [/FONT]coup d'tat of our parliament, [FONT=&amp] plus the fact that the EU is so undemocratic , Junker has already stated the EUs intention to expand east as far as the Russian border and if the public do not like it tough we will do it anyway.
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[FONT=&amp]I know these reasons are not half the story and there is no perfect solution, but I feel being out would at least give us the right to decide our own destiny and return real democracy to our shores. [/FONT]

 

[Darkwood]

When we are at such a massive crossroads for the country where it can be argued that neither the IN or OUT campign can predict what will happen then to get a better understanding as to the advice been dished out then what we can do is look at history itself, in fact the recent history of deciding not to join the Euro is ideal to find what we were told and by who and what the outcome actually was, here's a very interesting report if you can take time to read it, the scary thing here is its almost like De Je' Vue with the IN campaigns scare tactics with the same people giving the same doomsday stories and the BBC having a biased lean towards the IN in the way it reports and discusses the EU.
The great euro swindle | The Spectator

 

[silverfox1]

When we are at such a massive crossroads for the country where it can be argued that neither the IN or OUT campign can predict what will happen then to get a better understanding as to the advice been dished out then what we can do is look at history itself, in fact the recent history of deciding not to join the Euro is ideal to find what we were told and by who and what the outcome actually was, here's a very interesting report if you can take time to read it, the scary thing here is its almost like De Je' Vue with the IN campaigns scare tactics with the same people giving the same doomsday stories and the BBC having a biased lean towards the IN in the way it reports and discusses the EU.
The great euro swindle | The Spectator

Unbelievable it is deja vu and as you say with many of the same protagonists involved, a good read thanks.

 

[Octopus]

When we are at such a massive crossroads for the country where it can be argued that neither the IN or OUT campign can predict what will happen then to get a better understanding as to the advice been dished out then what we can do is look at history itself, in fact the recent history of deciding not to join the Euro is ideal to find what we were told and by who and what the outcome actually was, here's a very interesting report if you can take time to read it, the scary thing here is its almost like De Je' Vue with the IN campaigns scare tactics with the same people giving the same doomsday stories and the BBC having a biased lean towards the IN in the way it reports and discusses the EU.
The great euro swindle | The Spectator

Hit, nail and head spring to mind.

The BBC can't trusted on much these days when it reports the news and as for the "balanced" audiences for programs like Question Time and the shameful "debate" on the EU the other night - the "in's were very "ethnic" and the "outs" were very white.

Shame really as they used to be trusted by nearly all of us.

 

[sparksburnout]

Hit, nail and head spring to mind.

The BBC can't trusted on much these days when it reports the news and as for the "balanced" audiences for programs like Question Time and the shameful "debate" on the EU the other night - the "in's were very "ethnic" and the "outs" were very white.

Shame really as they used to be trusted by nearly all of us.

That's exactly right Murdoch. They always seem to pick people who look like they have just come off an EDL march to represent the outs. I thought it was just me but obviously others have noticed, might as well call them the Biased Broadcasting Company.

 

[Octopus]

That's exactly right Murdoch. They always seem to pick people who look like they have just come off an EDL march to represent the outs. I thought it was just me but obviously others have noticed, might as well call them the Biased Broadcasting Company.

ha ha.

That was my "name" on the BBC have your say until THEY changed it.

 

[andyb]

Hit, nail and head spring to mind.

The BBC can't trusted on much these days when it reports the news and as for the "balanced" audiences for programs like Question Time and the shameful "debate" on the EU the other night - the "in's were very "ethnic" and the "outs" were very white.

Shame really as they used to be trusted by nearly all of us.

Are you talking about the debate at Chatham House Murdoch?

 

[Octopus]

Are you talking about the debate at Chatham House Murdoch?

No the Victoria Derbyshire one last week.

This isn't anything new for the BBC. Back in 1997 I was in the audience for Question Time - the production staff made sure that all the white people were around the edges and centre of the audience was very ethnic mixed except white!

 

[sparksburnout]

That Viccy Derbyshire debate was a joke. I like VD but I have to say the choice of audience was a joke, including the "we have built this country" comment from some suitably chosen 1st generation immigrant. What a load of rubbish.

 

[andyb]

That Viccy Derbyshire debate was a joke. I like VD but I have to say the choice of audience was a joke, including the "we have built this country" comment from some suitably chosen 1st generation immigrant. What a load of rubbish.

No the Victoria Derbyshire one last week.

This isn't anything new for the BBC. Back in 1997 I was in the audience for Question Time - the production staff made sure that all the white people were around the edges and centre of the audience was very ethnic mixed except white!

Just watched it. Can you please tell me where the bias was?
55 don't knows, 40 for remain and 40 for brexit. All in three well defined groups. The questions seemed balanced to me and the 4 people making the case (two from each side) seemed to me to have roughly the same opportunity to respond.

VD did say something that I thought was probably slightly out of order, but on the whole I thought she chaired it well.